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I hope too. I don't really have anything so far, apart from a super mild cough.
I also had a mild cough
and headache at 1st day only
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:12
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Here's an interesting op-ed from MedPage Today on one of my favourite subjects (vitamin D) which is a good summary of the current evidence and comes to a conclusion I strongly agree with:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/90530

It is our responsibility as physicians not to wait for perfect evidence when making life-and-death decisions. Given the safety profile of vitamin D, the 40% prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in the U.S., and the fact that this season will likely be the deadliest phase of the pandemic to date, we need to act now. Identifying and eradicating vitamin D deficiency with early and aggressive supplementation in COVID-19 has the potential to save thousands of lives and should be one of our highest public health priorities.
Very interesting information, I was just amazed at the amount of vitamin D required to see some effect:

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A 2014 Austrian study of 475 patients showed that supplementation with 540,000 IU of vitamin D3 followed by 90,000 IU per month cut the hospital mortality rate in half for ICU patients with severe vitamin D deficiency (25-OH-D level <12 ng/ml).
Ahhh, 2021 and people still don't use the metric system 1 microgram = 40 UI...whatever UI means.

90000 UI per month is 2250 micrograms per month, or 75 micrograms per day. Compare this to the 2.5 micrograms found in an common effervescent table like this one (https://www.coop.ch/en/medicine-cabi...eces/p/4440157) and you need to chug 30 effervescent tables per day.

I guess the vitamin D needs to be prescribed by a doctor to have access to higher doses because common products simply don't deliver. Maybe that's the reason effervescent tablets exist: they're safe placebos.
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:21
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1 microgram = 40 UI...whatever UI means.

90000 UI per month is 2250 micrograms per month, or 75 micrograms per day. Compare this to the 2.5 micrograms found in an common effervescent table like this one (https://www.coop.ch/en/medicine-cabi...eces/p/4440157) and you need to chug 30 effervescent tables per day.

My D3 capsules are 5000 UI, got them from iherb.
So if 1 microgram = 40 UI
I am taking 125 micrograms so meets the 75 microgram per day....
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:29
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My D3 capsules are 5000 UI, got them from iherb.
So if 1 microgram = 40 UI
I am taking 125 micrograms so meets the 75 microgram per day....
Wait a min, the UI unit is very funny. 40 UI of vitamin D = 1 microgram but other vitamins are different: 1 IU of vitamin C = 50 micrograms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...alents_of_1_IU
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:42
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No idea, just rechecked, my bottle says 5000 IU
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:51
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Very interesting information, I was just amazed at the amount of vitamin D required to see some effect
Yea. I mentioned in a previous post that I did an experiment some time ago where I deliberately went into vitamin D insufficiency (below 75 nmol/l 25(OH)D3) and then took 400 IU a day (the 'official' RDA). I was taking weekly tests and the level didn't go up (it actually kept dropping). I gave up after six weeks and went back to 7000 IU per day. The level was back at 180 nmol/l within two months.

That's not really any kind of definitive test since placebo effects can't be ignored and people differ a lot in how fast they metabolize 25(OH)D3. (I've been tested for that and I'm at the high-end of the turnover rate.)
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Old 06.01.2021, 16:54
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Wait a min, the UI unit is very funny. 40 UI of vitamin D = 1 microgram but other vitamins are different: 1 IU of vitamin C = 50 micrograms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...alents_of_1_IU
'International Units' don't have a direct correspondence to mass between different compounds. It's really an arbitrary 'activation' unit.
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Yea. I mentioned in a previous post that I did an experiment some time ago where I deliberately went into vitamin D insufficiency (below 75 nmol/l 25(OH)D3) and then took 400 IU a day (the 'official' RDA). I was taking weekly tests and the level didn't go up (it actually kept dropping). I gave up after six weeks and went back to 7000 IU per day. The level was back at 180 nmol/l within two months.

That's not really any kind of definitive test since placebo effects can't be ignored and people differ a lot in how fast they metabolize 25(OH)D3. (I've been tested for that and I'm at the high-end of the turnover rate.)
I found your earlier posts very informative, thank you. I believe you posted after I had mentioned that I take what would be considered a high dose of 5000 iu every day or so in the winter months. Your experience would indicate that these higher doses are no problem. I think we both mentioned that even up to 10000 iu should not lead to toxicity.

Your earlier point re vitamin K was something I wasn’t aware of and still need to read up on. Thanks for that.

Ultimately my philosophy is to get all the vitamins and minerals you can from whole food sources, and for vitamin D sunlight. A little extra from supplements would appear to do little harm though.
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Old 06.01.2021, 17:11
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"Numbers are still too high"

«The situation, you have to be honest, is not good. It's even bad, ”says Alain Berset. "The numbers are difficult to interpret because of the festive season, but one thing is clear: they remain too high."
And yet they are still just talking about it rather than actually doing anything about it. AGAIN!!
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Old 06.01.2021, 17:13
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- I have plenty of Neo citrane at home.
not good if you have hypertension
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Thanks. The last I had heard or read, it was about 3 months. So I guess now they're mostly saying 5 to 7 months. Perhaps some of that also depends on one's viral load. I remember reading that when someone has a higher viral load, they end up developing more antibodies (compared to someone with a low viral load).
Antibodies not the only immunity. There is also t-cells, which stays forever
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Old 06.01.2021, 17:38
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And yet they are still just talking about it rather than actually doing anything about it. AGAIN!!
And rightly so.

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Old 06.01.2021, 17:51
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Re: Coronavirus

I ordered some high-dose vitamin D that has vitamin K2 in it from amazon.de the other day, in case anyone else is interested:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B08...?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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Here's an interesting op-ed from MedPage Today on one of my favourite subjects (vitamin D) which is a good summary of the current evidence and comes to a conclusion I strongly agree with:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/90530

It is our responsibility as physicians not to wait for perfect evidence when making life-and-death decisions. Given the safety profile of vitamin D, the 40% prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in the U.S., and the fact that this season will likely be the deadliest phase of the pandemic to date, we need to act now. Identifying and eradicating vitamin D deficiency with early and aggressive supplementation in COVID-19 has the potential to save thousands of lives and should be one of our highest public health priorities.
Thank you for sharing that. I just wish that they would really get that info out there (which they should have done months ago). They've known since last summer or so that there is a strong correlation between low vitamin D and becoming severely ill or dying from COVID. I remember reading studies about that last summer and we were all discussing it here for a while. It actually kind of pisses me off that major news sources haven't been stressing the importance of taking vitamin D to help protect against COVID, as I doubt most people read medical journals, etc.

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Ultimately my philosophy is to get all the vitamins and minerals you can from whole food sources, and for vitamin D sunlight. A little extra from supplements would appear to do little harm though.
It's very difficult to get proper vitamin D from the sun in the winter, though, because most of your skin needs to be exposed to the sunlight for quite a while, and even that only gives you the proper amount of vitamin D for one day. Also, a lot of people wear sunscreen (during the summer), and my doctor told me that you can't absorb vitamin D from the sun through sunscreen.
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I just wish that they would really get that info out there (which they should have done months ago). They've known since last summer or so that there is a strong correlation between low vitamin D and becoming severely ill or dying from COVID. I remember reading studies about that last summer and we were all discussing it here for a while. It actually kind of pisses me off that major news sources haven't been stressing the importance of taking vitamin D to help protect against COVID, as I doubt most people read medical journals, etc.

It's very difficult to get proper vitamin D from the sun in the winter, though, because most of your skin needs to be exposed to the sunlight for quite a while, and even that only gives you the proper amount of vitamin D for one day. Also, a lot of people wear sunscreen (during the summer), and my doctor told me that you can't absorb vitamin D from the sun through sunscreen.
It's a cynical view but the reality is that sickness is big business. This may or may not be the reason that it's not frequently recommended in the news.

Indeed, it's tough to synthesise D3 in the winter, particularly at higher latitudes where the sun is much lower in the sky. There are small amounts available in dietary sources such as liver, fatty fish and egg yolks too.
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Old 06.01.2021, 18:43
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It's a cynical view but the reality is that sickness is big business. This may or may not be the reason that it's not frequently recommended in the news.

Indeed, it's tough to synthesise D3 in the winter, particularly at higher latitudes where the sun is much lower in the sky. There are small amounts available in dietary sources such as liver, fatty fish and egg yolks too.
I am not cynical about supplements, rather about eager business with them. I only know, though, that despite the fact that ideally we are all supposed absorb supplements perfectly as written in books, some of us don't. I do well with some vitamins and not with others. I can't take too much fake zinc; calcium supplements and iron are a complete moot. Perfect though in food and natural sources. I think D3 is really important now, it most probably also makes people resilient against covid anxiousness, too, and home-office spleen.

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The Canton of Vaud will begin inscriptions from tomorrow 08h00 here.

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Ce dispositif permet de vacciner dans un premier temps (dès le 11 janvier):

Les personnes âgées de plus de 75 ans ne vivant pas en institution
Les personnes vulnérables, soit les personnes qui souffrent d’une insuffisance cardiaque ou respiratoire, d’une hypertension artérielle sévère, d’un cancer, d’obésité importante ou d’une faiblesse immunitaire.
Les personnes en contact étroit avec cette population – personnel de santé et personnel des EMS
They have also posted this on their website: (In French)

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Re: Coronavirus

It's really pretty tiring now all the rules and changes.

Kids are still at school but they can't bring in a birthday cake and the teacher has to vent the classroom every 30 mins..
Kids can still go to all of their normal clubs but parents can't come in.
We can all go skiing but need to make a longer queue for the lift.
Shopping is still a free for all but we can't sit 2m apart in a restaurant.
The list goes on ..

Kids are still going to birthday parties but they play outside..

I know loads more people now locally who have or have had the virus but all of them are fine.. We're just trying to apply as much common sense as poss while still doing almost as much as we used to.
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We can all go skiing but need to make a longer queue for the lift.
Finally my wish has come true! No standing on my skis in the queue.
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Finally my wish has come true! No standing on my skis in the queue.
And riding the lift is actually pleasurable too at 2/3 capacity. Someone not putting their snowboard in my face, screaming loudly on the phone at my ear, less BO, and can tighten up the boots on the way up. Should be made permanent in my view.

But there's still too much of I've got a mask on so 1.5m doesn't matter anymore.
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Interesting, why? Thanks.
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