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I think my general point that one should think for themselves and assess the risks using their brain rather than just follow the guidelines word for word is just obvious common sense. But then again I believe broadly if you treat people like adults they behave like adults, and if you treat people like children, they behave like children.
The thing with common sense is, it's not too common.
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Re: Coronavirus

Things must be getting worse in the UK, they're back to reporting deaths again.
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Old 08.01.2021, 20:19
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Things must be getting worse in the UK, they're back to reporting deaths again.
Looking awful isn't it. I hope we are watching and making sure that vaccination of the vulnerable happens before the inevitable huge wave we will get in/around March.
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Old 08.01.2021, 20:24
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Neuchâtel has reported and increase in deaths of 11.2% for 2020.

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Old 08.01.2021, 20:26
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Have we had more new measures today?

I've just seen Villars announce that due to new measures the ski nocturne and luge are closed.. And Diablerets announce their luge piste is closed from Sunday due to new measures.

Part of some other closures?
Lifts are closed in CZ as well.

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Old 08.01.2021, 20:48
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Canada already requires it, the US requires it on flights from the UK. That likely will change to all flights soon.
I agree. I think airlines are going to start requiring either tests or vaccination proof, in an effort to keep in business and prop up govt/public confidence in travel.

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I would characterize the people from back home who have caught it as a bit dozy or dim on average. Not actually rebellious...

I think my general point that one should think for themselves and assess the risks using their brain rather than just follow the guidelines word for word is just obvious common sense. But then again I believe broadly if you treat people like adults they behave like adults, and if you treat people like children, they behave like children.
In "normal times", I tend to agree. However "Corona times" has shown that even responsible adults start to lose the plot after having restrictions for a long time. People need routines and human contact. One friend of mine said they're contemplating suicide because this is not living. It's sad and scary, and I'm afraid we don't have any end in sight right now. Sure, vaccines are rolling out but no one knows how long they're effective and many, many people don't want to get one.
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Old 08.01.2021, 20:54
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Looking awful isn't it. I hope we are watching and making sure that vaccination of the vulnerable happens before the inevitable huge wave we will get in/around March.
It's not always the same. The reason I post the CZ updates is to give a bit of heads up, they seem to be where CH would follow in a few weeks. But there are differences - diff combo of measures and timing. The CH measures now got even closer to CZ, without having so many daily cases in CH, that's great forward thinking in CH. But Czech schools have been closed for ever, and here still full on presential stuff (aside of uni courses and not all of them here). Czech public transport is half empty due to strict home office, assembly of 2 persons only and curfews. Here they shortened the trains so they are even more packed.

So while I agree with your inevitable March (I still think it could be Feb), CZ is living it now.
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and of course, with these new mutations, primary school kids also spread those variants more easily.
Even the big supporter of the theory "kids are the same infectious as grown ups" Herr Drosten thinks that the evidence that the new mutation was distributed among kids more that the old one is probably based on the fact that the new mutation accidentally got into schools and started spreading there because everything else in England was closed.
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Old 08.01.2021, 22:03
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Re: Coronavirus

ooops whaaaaat?
just temporarily gives more power to fine for not following "recommendations"
it was discussed since spring 2020
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Old 08.01.2021, 22:43
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I agree. I think airlines are going to start requiring either tests or vaccination proof, in an effort to keep in business and prop up govt/public confidence in travel.
The restrictions I mentioned were imposed by the Canadian and US governments.

It’s doubtful the airlines would imposed restrictions themselves and even if they did, without the force of the law, they likely wouldn’t maintain them.
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Things must be getting worse in the UK, they're back to reporting deaths again.
Things are fairly shit and very worrying indeed.



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Even the big supporter of the theory "kids are the same infectious as grown ups" Herr Drosten thinks that the evidence that the new mutation was distributed among kids more that the old one is probably based on the fact that the new mutation accidentally got into schools and started spreading there because everything else in England was closed.
Johnson finally admitted schools were vectors for the transmission of the virus. This is someone anyone who as ever spent time in a school has been arguing for months. A stomach bug can decimate a year group in days.

The virus was spread because that's whar viruses do and it's impossible to socially distance in schools and the PPE was non-existent.
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Old 08.01.2021, 23:15
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The thing with common sense is, it's not too common.
Common sense is not allowed in Switzerland, people must follow rules & not think for themselves. Use too much common sense & you will be fired, your boss may be a moron but it's always been done that way
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Old 08.01.2021, 23:19
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It’s doubtful the airlines would imposed restrictions themselves and even if they did, without the force of the law, they likely wouldn’t maintain them.
They can whenever they want and I suspect some will.
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Old 08.01.2021, 23:24
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ooops whaaaaat?
just temporarily gives more power to fine for not following "recommendations"
it was discussed since spring 2020
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The new law will allow the government to restrict shop opening times and, if necessary, shut private businesses and public transport and limit the number of people in public spaces like parks.
So rather more than you claim.
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Sure, vaccines are rolling out but no one knows how long they're effective and many, many people don't want to get one.
Those who don't want vaccines will get real COVID inevitably. I think the govts should provide vaccines to everyone who is willing to take them and then lift all restrictions and let morons die out a little bit.
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So rather more than you claim.
will see, how it will work
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Old 09.01.2021, 00:58
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Re: Coronavirus

From my work read FYI emails this morning. Two cases in production department have triggered response from the top management and home office is really strong recommendation at the moment. Common sense was prevailing before and now, but one cannot just shut down the whole facility, let people decide for themselves to come to work or not and count on virtual work being done on already overloaded servers.

Interesting times ahead with herd immunity most likely the way to go. When vaccines are gonna be rolled out for all population, show intended effectiveness, only then we will be able to overcome and sleep well at night. Otherwise sense of helplessness and insecurity will prevail, I’m afraid.
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From my work read FYI emails this morning. Two cases in production department have triggered response from the top management and home office is really strong recommendation at the moment.
Only now? We had strict home-office rules since mid-October, when cases skyrockted. We are not allowed come if there is no serious reason, i.e. lab work etc. And even if there is a reason, we must try to minimize it to 2-3 days a week.
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1 in 15 in East London / South Essex is currently infected and still increasing rapidly. That's a staggering number. Across London as a whole perhaps 1 in 30.

It goes without saying that really the only realistic aim for London now is a slower herd immunity not preventing it. Things really are terrible despite really tough measures.

Are we ready for this? It's going to be awful. I'm not sure there's the political will in Switzerland to put the shielding in place that will be required to save lives.

Why is the AstraZeneca vaccine not being administered? The government should be willing to provide emergency authorisation based on reputable foreign medicine agencies if Swissmedic aren't willing to get on with it.

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Old 09.01.2021, 08:18
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Why is the AstraZeneca vaccine not being administered? The government should be willing to provide emergency authorisation based on reputable foreign medicine agencies if Swissmedic aren't willing to get on with it.
Sadly, Swissmedic are showing that they are not fit for purpose.
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