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1 in 15 in East London / South Essex is currently infected and still increasing rapidly. That's a staggering number. Across London as a whole perhaps 1 in 30.
I bet Sadiq Khan isn't crowing so loudly about getting London reduced to Tier 2 just before Christmas now.
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Old 09.01.2021, 09:04
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They can whenever they want and I suspect some will.
I wasn’t disputing that they can. I know this industry well. The bean-counters at the top might do this if they think it will generate more business than they lose. But on low competition routes a policy like this would just result in spilling passengers.

We shall see what we see.
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Old 09.01.2021, 09:23
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Sadly, Swissmedic are showing that they are not fit for purpose.
I’m really surprised that they haven’t got their act together and approved another vaccine by now.
Everyone was expecting the Moderna vaccine to be approved this week and Switzerland to start vaccinating with it from next week
I know they have some reservations about the Astra-Zeneca one and getting approval for that one will likely take a bit longer but having the Moderna one approved would be a good start. It will take forever if they are only able to use the Pfizer vaccine here.

Having said all that, there are no provisions for emergency approval in Switzerland and I guess they need to be very careful and leave no stone unturned before granting regular approval to vaccines.
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Old 09.01.2021, 14:37
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SVP demands full opening of restaurants, shops, services and for Berset to step down as health minister.

https://www.svp.ch/news/artikel/medi...agen-ablenken/
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SVP demands full opening of restaurants, shops, services and for Berset to step down as health minister.

https://www.svp.ch/news/artikel/medi...agen-ablenken/
Idiots. Are they completely unaware of what's happening all around them?

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Christian Althaus resigns from the Corona task force
The Bernese epidemiologist Christian Althaus has resigned from the federal corona task force. He announced this on Twitter on Saturday. Althaus complained that politics did not meet science at eye level. In the past few weeks there has been an increasing conflict between the Federal Council and the task force: The SVP federal councilors in particular were bothered by the fact that the task force communicated independently. Members of the task force, however, accused the Federal Council of inaction.

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Old 09.01.2021, 14:54
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Idiots. Are they completely unaware of what's happening all around them?

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Aware but don't give a s*** probably.

Edit - although I would agree with what they say about contact tracing and the vaccine program - that the BR and cantons (particularly the SVP lead ones in contact tracing) have completely screwed that up.
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SVP demands full opening of restaurants, shops, services and for Berset to step down as health minister.

https://www.svp.ch/news/artikel/medi...agen-ablenken/

No surprise here. Populists and their politics....
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Re: Coronavirus

I have a question to immunologists here. I know, most of the forum now immunologists
If I have a covid antibodies and was exposed to covid again, will the antibodies kind of prolonged or will disappear after 3-6 months after 1st expose anyway?
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Old 09.01.2021, 16:27
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I have a question to immunologists here. I know, most of the forum now immunologists
If I have a covid antibodies and was exposed to covid again, will the antibodies kind of prolonged or will disappear after 3-6 months after 1st expose anyway?
I would think that would depend on whether or not the second infection actually caused you to develop more antibodies. If you already still had a lot of antibodies from the first infection, I think that would cause you to be less likely to develop more antibodies the second time around. I say this because antibodies are created in the body when it senses an infection, so if your body didn't sense a new infection during the second exposure, then you wouldn't develop more antibodies.

But I am certainly not an immunologist.
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Old 09.01.2021, 16:53
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I have a question to immunologists here. I know, most of the forum now immunologists
If I have a covid antibodies and was exposed to covid again, will the antibodies kind of prolonged or will disappear after 3-6 months after 1st expose anyway?
I'll ask my Oxford Biochemistry MBiochem and Cambridge DPhil Immunlogoist friend. Instinct is they will be prolonged.

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"Your antibodies are made by B cells (they call them plasma cells at the point when they churn out antibodies, but same thing for this purpose). After infection you have memory B cells. So next time you are infected you will churn out antibody earlier and at a higher level. So yes. And you might not need serum Ab for protection. As you have memory T and B cells, so are primed to respond rapidly to the same thing. In fact, low background exposure will probably keep you primed without real infection".

He was very clear from early on that serum antibodies was not a measure of immunity - and is a significant underestimate.

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Old 09.01.2021, 18:20
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The Covid-19 Blitz

Is London experiencing a wartime blitz on the nations capital from the new strain of Covid-19 ?
with the city particulary worst off by the soaring infection rate.

BBC News - Major incident declared by London major, Sadiq Khan

The Lancet compares the Covid-19 blitz of 2020/21 with the wartime
aerial bombing raids of Britain during World War 2.

The Lancet - Protecting the British public against external threat: Covid-19 & the Blitz compared
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"The US pharmaceutical company Moderna is expected to receive approval for a second vaccine against Covid-19 from the supervisory authority Swissmedic next week . As the "SonntagsZeitung" has learned from several sources, it should be on Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest. The scientific assessment of the vaccine has largely been completed."

https://www.cash.ch/news/politik/cor...im-bag-1691932
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Old 10.01.2021, 17:02
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Switzerland's decision to close schools was one of most effective measures of reducing Covid spread, study says - (not yet peer-reviewed).
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Old 10.01.2021, 17:39
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SVP demands full opening of restaurants, shops, services and for Berset to step down as health minister.
And rightly so!

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And rightly so!

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Switzerland's decision to close schools was one of most effective measures of reducing Covid spread, study says - (not yet peer-reviewed).
I think this was always going to be the case and more wishful thinking to believe otherwise. Question is more whether children's education is a price worth paying. I can live with senior schools closing but not junior unless it's for a few weeks only.
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Re: Coronavirus

I see that well known populist Euroskeptic nation, Germany, have decided that the EU have made an absolute shambles of vaccine procurement and are buying their own, contrary to the T and Cs of the EU scheme.

Here's a reminder about what was said about the UKs decision to go it alone with the vaccine back in the summer:

Lib Dem leadership hopeful Layla Moron tweeted: "Walking away from the EU vaccines scheme is putting ideology ahead of public health."

And Labour MP Bell Ribeiro-Addy tweeted: "By refusing to join the EU's vaccine scheme, the government is yet again putting ideology before saving lives.
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I have a question to immunologists here. I know, most of the forum now immunologists
If I have a covid antibodies and was exposed to covid again, will the antibodies kind of prolonged or will disappear after 3-6 months after 1st expose anyway?
I still had antibodies after 10 months according to a Roche test, Abbot test said no. I will repeat Roche test in a couple of weeks on the 1 year anniversary of being ill.
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And rightly so!

Tom

The right thing to do would be for the so-called "People's party" to actually do something to help. Ueli Maurer is the one who is spreading "we have no money" BS. And he is the SVP.

I live in this country for over 30 years and based on my previous experiences as entrepreneur I was very much surprised, shocked even to see how Switzerland helped companies / entrepreneurs in the spring and how SVP did not raise a stink, I thought I live in a different country but alas, no, things are back to normal, douche bags did not suddenly transform into responsible people. Now we see SVP doing everything in their power to avoid helping (i.e. raising taxes), instead they'd rather kill off couple of thousand "worthless" people.

It is so typical of this party, block real solutions, blame others on ruining life of "hard working swiss population" and come up with some insane populist proposals that, sadly, resonate with part of the public. Of course they also usually chose minorities that are weak to attack. Sick people, people on wellfare, invalids, refugees, etc. And same now, because what they demand essentially would kill off many sick / weak and elderly. But hey, those people do not work, load AHV and maybe even -oh my god- get help / financial support, so double win: AHV is relieved and taxes stay low.
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