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I still had antibodies after 10 months according to a Roche test, Abbot test said no. I will repeat Roche test in a couple of weeks on the 1 year anniversary of being ill.
Please let us know the result!
I will repeat my Roche test as well.
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The right thing to do would be for the so-called "People's party" to actually do something to help.
Yes, and the right thing would be to keep bars and restaurants open.

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Switzerland's decision to close schools was one of most effective measures of reducing Covid spread, study says - (not yet peer-reviewed).
(I cannot read the article as it asks for subscription) The question is if it was effective because the kids stopped spreading the virus or because their parents stopped spreading the virus having to stay home with the kids. Swiss authorities never hid the fact that closing the schools reduces the tempo of life and makes people take the situation more seriously.

Denmark was the first to open schools in Europe in spring and didn't close them till this time afaik (the kids older than 11 started home schooling in some municipalities only in December). And the situation there is no worse than in other European countries.
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Yes, and the right thing would be to keep bars and restaurants open.

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So the virus gets good and embedded?
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I still had antibodies after 10 months according to a Roche test, Abbot test said no. I will repeat Roche test in a couple of weeks on the 1 year anniversary of being ill.
what the difference between Roche and Abbot? Do Roche test t-cells as well?
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Yes, and the right thing would be to keep bars and restaurants open.

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Not for me at present but it's worthwhile having the conversation now about when we are willing to open up vis a vis - 65+ vaccinated? 60+? 55+?
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I think this was always going to be the case and more wishful thinking to believe otherwise. Question is more whether children's education is a price worth paying. I can live with senior schools closing but not junior unless it's for a few weeks only.
Well, kids are held back a year all the time in the US (and probably elsewhere) and it doesn't necessarily damage them in the long-run. Besides, it's not like kids won't be learning. It's just not in a classroom. Especially considering the fact that these mutations appear to be much more contagious among young kids, I think it's better to have them do home-schooling than to have kids bringing the virus home to their parents. And it's better to have a kid learning from home than for him or her to have a dead or extremely ill parent.
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Not for me at present but it's worthwhile having the conversation now about when we are willing to open up vis a vis - 65+ vaccinated? 60+? 55+?
When everyone who wants to get a shot gets it, which, taking into account the average willingness of 40-50% of the population, will be around summer. The rest are hopeless and not worth a lockdown.
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When everyone who wants to get a shot gets it, which, taking into account the average willingness of 40-50% of the population, will be around summer. The rest are hopeless and not worth a lockdown.
That's too conservative. Are you really saying you'd lock the country down with only the twenty somethings still outstanding. For them Covid is less severe than flu.

Personally I'd look to reopen (with distancing) when the over 60s have all had it, and gradually reduce the distancing requirements as we go down the age cohorts.
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That's too conservative. Are you really saying you'd lock the country down with only the twenty somethings still outstanding. For them Covid is less severe than flu.

Personally I'd look to reopen (with distancing) when the over 60s have all had it, and gradually reduce the distancing requirements as we go down the age cohorts.
I meant that as a point of no rules and relative "normalcy". Of course as you say, step-by-step easing makes sense. Honestly, vaccinating all 65+ should already bring the death toll 20-50x down, so ICU usage shall also go down significantly -> so we can afford having more COVID For instance now only 11% of normal hospital beds are occupied by COVID, while 26% still free, so we can afford 3.5x more COVID immediately and with some better bed management and progressing vaccination even more.

Not that I want it, but there will definitely be an opportunity to open up a bit more to save the economy once all 65+ are done.
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When everyone who wants to get a shot gets it, which, taking into account the average willingness of 40-50% of the population, will be around summer. The rest are hopeless and not worth a lockdown.
Im not one of those people who'd wish harm on those who don't want the vaccine. But I'd have no issues with saying if you've refused the vaccine you won't be covered should you need hospitalisation with Covid. I don't see why that should be the job of the taxpayer.
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When everyone who wants to get a shot gets it, which, taking into account the average willingness of 40-50% of the population, will be around summer. The rest are hopeless and not worth a lockdown.
Wouldn't it be possible to live more or less normal life (well, at least as normal as in the last June - October) when it gets warmer in spring already? Comparing to the spring last year, some people have antibodies, the most wulnerable and their caregivers are hopefully vaccinated and people start to spend more time outside?

The new mutation is a big question though.
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Im not one of those people who'd wish harm on those who don't want the vaccine. But I'd have no issues with saying if you've refused the vaccine you won't be covered should you need hospitalisation with Covid. I don't see why that should be the job of the taxpayer.
Isn't it covered by insurance companies?

Following this logic you shouldn't cover the treatment of people who were speeding, crossing the road in the wrong place, smoking, eating unhealthy food etc.
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Isn't it covered by insurance companies?
I guess he meant physical lack of hospital beds.
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what the difference between Roche and Abbot? Do Roche test t-cells as well?
I am not sure which tests Fatmanfilms has used, but from the description of the Roche test from May 2020 FDA EUA, this test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% (14 Days post-PCR confirmation).

I just looked up the Abbott test, and the one I found online says that the Abbott IgG antibody test has 99.63% specificity and 100% sensitivity at the time of detecting antibodies 14 days or greater, post symptom onset.

The Abbott (as well as Roche) test has 100% sensitivity, which means that when it says “negative” this is 100% accurate. Fatmanfilms, if you got a “negative” from Abbott and a “positive” from Roche, then most probably you have a false positive from the Roche test, according to the description.
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Wouldn't it be possible to live more or less normal life (well, at least as normal as in the last June - October) when it gets warmer in spring already? Comparing to the spring last year, some people have antibodies, the most wulnerable and their caregivers are hopefully vaccinated and people start to spend more time outside?

The new mutation is a big question though.
I don't know. In spring everything was shut down for 6 weeks and the virus got virtually to near zero. I am not sure we are sailing the same way towards May this time.
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Not that I want it, but there will definitely be an opportunity to open up a bit more to save the economy once all 65+ are done.
Oh, dear, I totally mis-read your post. It was only on the third, incredulous re-read that I saw that you had not typed that there will definitely be an opportunity to open up a bit more to save the economy once all 65+ are gone.
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I don't know. In spring everything was shut down for 6 weeks and the virus got virtually to near zero. I am not sure we are sailing the same way towards May this time.
I think right now we are sailing in the direction of lockdown. If I remember correctly the federal council suggests to close non-essential shops on Jan 13, and as the rhetoric about schools changed a lot on SRF in the recent week, the school closing will probably follow shortly afterwards.

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Canton Bern numbers increased by 50% over the weekend ... not surprising, what is more surprising is that they haven't increased before, since it hasn't looked like a pandemic around here at all until bars/restaurants were closed. Perhaps it has something to do with the ski season?

Of course the local government is downplaying it, I will wait to see their words aged like milk:

https://www.20min.ch/comment/638739469892
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My light cough and slight burning sensation in the chest has gone! I did not have any fever, weakness or runny nose. Did have minor headache but no loss of smell or taste.

The recent (1+ month ago) itchiness/rash in the arm that went away but might have left slight skin discolouration, multiple tiny patches (maybe they were always there, and I just did not notice).

Combination of all the above might point to Corona or not
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