Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1921  
Old 07.03.2020, 21:32
roegner's Avatar
Moderately Dutch
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 11,125
Groaned at 369 Times in 310 Posts
Thanked 14,105 Times in 6,567 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
An Italian union of medical employees is proposing a triage system including a set age limit above which people will not be submitted to the IC anymore due to medical system being more than overrun.
That is nasty seeing that the seriousness of Corona is higher with elder people or those with preconditions (and those have mostly not the youngest people)
Reply With Quote
  #1922  
Old 07.03.2020, 21:45
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 5,336
Groaned at 300 Times in 213 Posts
Thanked 7,289 Times in 3,422 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
I thought it was just common decency to cover your mouth when you cough in public.

Even more decent when there's a nasty virus going around.
I donít think most people even notice when they have a small cough, or two. We are not hard-wired to notice.

Itís like not touching your face. Much easier said than done. Iím much more aware now when I do it, but stopping is not so easy.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank bowlie for this useful post:
  #1923  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:00
Stendec's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 212
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 235 Times in 112 Posts
Stendec is considered knowledgeableStendec is considered knowledgeableStendec is considered knowledgeable
Re: Coronavirus

"The Italian Government has decreed that from tomorrow until 3 April no one can enter or leave Lombardy and 11 other provinces. The red zone extends to: Modena, Parma, Piacenza, Reggio Emilia, Rimini, Pesaro, Urbino, Venice, Padua, Treviso, Asti, Alexandria."

Source

Last edited by Stendec; 07.03.2020 at 22:20.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Stendec for this useful post:
  #1924  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:13
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. ZŁrich
Posts: 11,094
Groaned at 510 Times in 433 Posts
Thanked 19,984 Times in 10,538 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
So they are assuming people will be self disciplined enough to self isolate with a mild cough and no diagnosis? So no more contact tracing and official quarantine? What about reports that people are still shedding virus weeks after they stop showing symptoms? Are we going to assume people are just going to stay home for a few days after recovering from a cough and not go to work or public places? We already have people coughing all over. This directive is to free up resources but it's just allowing for quicker spread. And how is it that most other countries can allow for widespread testing, but Switzerland has reached capacity at under 4k?!
We have two dogs so self-isolation would be a challenge.
Reply With Quote
  #1925  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:14
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
"The Italian Government has decreed that from tomorrow until 3 April no one can enter or leave Lombardy and 11 other provinces. The red zone extends to: Modena, Parma, Piacenza, Reggio Emilia, Rimini, Pesaro, Urbino, Venice, Padua, Treviso, Asti, Alexandria."

Source

Does that include all the frontaliers who work in Tessin?
Yes, it is a total lockdown, nobody in or out.

Also all sporthals, swimming pools, cinema's, cultural centra, musea, theatres and skipistes in that area will be closed. All schools are closed till at least April the 3rd , restaurants and bars can remain open but they will lose their license if customers do not take at least 1 meter distance from each other.
Reply With Quote
  #1926  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:21
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
We have two dogs so self-isolation would be a challenge.
no problem here as surrounded by fields and woods + large garden, thank goodness.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #1927  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:26
Stendec's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 212
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 235 Times in 112 Posts
Stendec is considered knowledgeableStendec is considered knowledgeableStendec is considered knowledgeable
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
Yes, it is a total lockdown, nobody in or out.
An article in Il Corriere della Sera does qualify this announcement by saying that one can enter or leave for "grave e indifferibili" reasons, for work or family.
Reply With Quote
  #1928  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:30
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
An article in Il Corriere della Sera does qualify this announcement by saying that one can enter or leave for "grave e indifferibili" reasons, for work or family.
Yes, but I assume this is on exceptional base and not for the average worker who wants a daily passage. If they allow over a 100.000 people to drive in and out every day than it is all useless, also the bureaucracy would be enormous if so.
Reply With Quote
  #1929  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:32
MsWorWoo's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Winti
Posts: 1,920
Groaned at 57 Times in 37 Posts
Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,180 Posts
MsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
An article in Il Corriere della Sera does qualify this announcement by saying that one can enter or leave for "grave e indifferibili" reasons, for work or family.
How does this work if one were just passing through, driving to Florence for example?
Reply With Quote
  #1930  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:38
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
How does this work if one were just passing through, driving to Florence for example?
I assume take a big detour.

Tho practically it could be possible to have one highway from north to south and just block all exits and entry's to allow a drive-through. Sure some might hop on a car, but such an area is not to close up 100% anyway.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #1931  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:41
roegner's Avatar
Moderately Dutch
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 11,125
Groaned at 369 Times in 310 Posts
Thanked 14,105 Times in 6,567 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Weīll hear how that works out latest on Monday, check 20Minuten as they will have the last updates......
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank roegner for this useful post:
  #1932  
Old 07.03.2020, 22:45
Stendec's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 212
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 235 Times in 112 Posts
Stendec is considered knowledgeableStendec is considered knowledgeableStendec is considered knowledgeable
Re: Coronavirus

Art 1 1(a) of the draft decree says:

"evitare in modo assoluto ogni spostamento in entrata e in uscita dai territori di cui al presente articolo, nonchť all’interno dei medesimi territori di cui al presente articolo, salvo che per gli spostamenti motivati da indifferibili esigenze lavorative o situazioni di emergenza"

So I don't actually see the "or family" category mentioned in Il Corriere della Sera.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Stendec for this useful post:
  #1933  
Old 07.03.2020, 23:09
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Solna
Posts: 26
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts
Alhunter has no particular reputation at present
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
But then SARS was a long time ago, how is the impact now after such a long time?
The impact is life long for some people, there are cases for both medical workers and patient suffered severe sequelae that prevent them to live a normal life. It's really sad, the patient mostly live in poverty because they cannot work, or do anything, medical workers got insurance but still...

Although the sequelae is caused by the treatment, not SARS per se. But the best is to not get the virus
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Alhunter for this useful post:
  #1934  
Old 07.03.2020, 23:27
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 794
Groaned at 118 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 765 Times in 375 Posts
Noth has an excellent reputationNoth has an excellent reputationNoth has an excellent reputationNoth has an excellent reputation
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
South Korea has done 140,000 tests, 6000 cases & a fatality rate of 0.6%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeh0...-eOTq4zMzGPkqo
Sorry, that figure is wrong. It's (48/(48+118))*100, which is 28.19%, based on tonight's figures. South Korea is experiencing a very high death rate and it's total number of cases per million is at 137, the highest of any country at the moment (although I suspect Iran is completely lying on how bad their situation really is).

So most of the Tessin border will be closed from tomorrow for a month? That's going to be fun, but I was expecting the Swiss to do this first. Oh well, Schengen and the religion of open borders is holding so far...

Good luck to all the Italians stuck in those quarantine zones, I hope you have food for a month or more.
Reply With Quote
  #1935  
Old 07.03.2020, 23:33
spaghetti's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Zurich
Posts: 209
Groaned at 7 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 303 Times in 126 Posts
spaghetti has a reputation beyond reputespaghetti has a reputation beyond reputespaghetti has a reputation beyond reputespaghetti has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
I donít think most people even notice when they have a small cough, or two. We are not hard-wired to notice.

Itís like not touching your face. Much easier said than done. Iím much more aware now when I do it, but stopping is not so easy.
Again even I know it's not a popular opinion, and probably will be groaned at again, if there is enough supply of surgical masks, it reduces certain extent of virus of the wearer getting out as droplets. Also you will touch your face less.

Also important, if you don't want to pass your flu to others, do not wear those masks with valves, it only filters air in not the way out. That kind of mask only protects the wearer.

Most of us just have to try harder to train our reflex, if you care enough.
Reply With Quote
  #1936  
Old 07.03.2020, 23:34
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: ZH
Posts: 8,057
Groaned at 95 Times in 76 Posts
Thanked 12,442 Times in 5,051 Posts
doropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond reputedoropfiz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
How does this work if one were just passing through, driving to Florence for example?
I don't know how it works, but for myself, I simply wouldn't be contemplating driving to Florence, or Italy at all, right now. But I understand that some may have to do so, for their work.
Reply With Quote
  #1937  
Old 07.03.2020, 23:42
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Sorry, that figure is wrong. It's (48/(48+118))*100, which is 28.19%, based on tonight's figures. South Korea is experiencing a very high death rate and it's total number of cases per million is at 137, the highest of any country at the moment (although I suspect Iran is completely lying on how bad their situation really is).
That's not how any of this works. And the 0.6 from fatmanfilms is also incorrect to assume as death rate of the disease, it is the absolute minimum if no more people would be tested positive and still forgetting all of those who did not test.

According to your reasoning Switzerland has a death rate of 25% and France even 57% now we all know that does not reflect the actual changes of those infected.

And to be able to assume a proper estimate we'd need a proper sample of a population being tested to get a good idea of how many people are overlooked as being infected/ill. All we can do is calculate changes once tested and that is prone to huge differences due to methods of testing, like Switzerland is now only going to test high-risk and severe cases and the rest is expected to just sit at home, while other countries might go on testing all people somebody already positive has had contact with so they take along much more people who'd experience it only as a common cold into the statistics.

Can we just stop calculating death rates for now, it's from a statistical point of view all nonsense atm.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #1938  
Old 07.03.2020, 23:46
Sky's Avatar
Sky Sky is offline
dolce e moderata
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere special far away
Posts: 4,272
Groaned at 62 Times in 45 Posts
Thanked 6,929 Times in 2,593 Posts
Sky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond reputeSky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Coronavirus

@Noth, not quite, not the complete border.
Reply With Quote
  #1939  
Old 07.03.2020, 23:50
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
View Post
Sorry, that figure is wrong. It's (48/(48+118))*100, which is 28.19%, based on tonight's figures. South Korea is experiencing a very high death rate and it's total number of cases per million is at 137, the highest of any country at the moment (although I suspect Iran is completely lying on how bad their situation really is).

So most of the Tessin border will be closed from tomorrow for a month? That's going to be fun, but I was expecting the Swiss to do this first. Oh well, Schengen and the religion of open borders is holding so far...

Good luck to all the Italians stuck in those quarantine zones, I hope you have food for a month or more.
From what I have read, most of the fatality statistics are coming from China - not surprising as it started there first. But note, the air pollution in China does one no favors and combine that with the number of male smokers in China?! Statistics re: fatalities can be skewed given demographics and smokers within those demographics.
Reply With Quote
  #1940  
Old 08.03.2020, 01:06
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 794
Groaned at 118 Times in 36 Posts
Thanked 765 Times in 375 Posts
Noth has an excellent reputationNoth has an excellent reputationNoth has an excellent reputationNoth has an excellent reputation
Re: Coronavirus

Quote:
That's not how any of this works. And the 0.6 from fatmanfilms is also incorrect to assume as death rate of the disease, it is the absolute minimum if no more people would be tested positive and still forgetting all of those who did not test.

According to your reasoning Switzerland has a death rate of 25% and France even 57% now we all know that does not reflect the actual changes of those infected.

And to be able to assume a proper estimate we'd need a proper sample of a population being tested to get a good idea of how many people are overlooked as being infected/ill. All we can do is calculate changes once tested and that is prone to huge differences due to methods of testing, like Switzerland is now only going to test high-risk and severe cases and the rest is expected to just sit at home, while other countries might go on testing all people somebody already positive has had contact with so they take along much more people who'd experience it only as a common cold into the statistics.

Can we just stop calculating death rates for now, it's from a statistical point of view all nonsense atm.
Of course it's nonsense when the total population infected is so low. But it doesn't mean you shouldn't use the right mathematical formula. It's far far too early to work out just how deadly the disease is, I'd say you need to have to measure over a year at least. Yet we're in the situation where decisions based on something have to be taken because the infected rate of the population is increasing much faster than anticipated. So...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cold, corona, coronavirus, covid, covid-19, flu, health, medical, virus




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (0 members and 3 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Coronavirus Jokes makeabigwish Daily life 256 Yesterday 21:06
Coronavirus closed janvier Forum support 18 01.11.2020 13:12
Paid holidays and coronavirus Curtiss Employment 2 20.04.2020 09:22
Coronavirus scammers are out there - be warned Medea Fleecestealer Daily life 9 18.04.2020 18:53
Leaving Switzerland for UK during coronavirus barkingtreewolf Leaving Switzerland 19 11.04.2020 11:45


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 06:14.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0