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Old 11.01.2021, 10:49
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I don't know. In spring everything was shut down for 6 weeks and the virus got virtually to near zero. I am not sure we are sailing the same way towards May this time.
I think it went to near zero because of spring/summer rather than because of lockdown. Would probably have gone that way without lockdown.

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I think right now we are sailing in the direction of lockdown. If I remember correctly the federal council suggests to close non-essential shops on Jan 13, and as the rhetoric about schools changed a lot on SRF in the recent week, the school closing will probably follow shortly afterwards.
It'll be quite a move if they close the schools and leave the ski resorts open .. I can home school my kids in the morning then take them skiing in the afternoon.

It wouldn't surprise but I think that would be total madness...
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Old 11.01.2021, 10:52
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My light cough and slight burning sensation in the chest has gone! I did not have any fever, weakness or runny nose. Did have minor headache but no loss of smell or taste.

The recent (1+ month ago) itchiness/rash in the arm that went away but might have left slight skin discolouration, multiple tiny patches (maybe they were always there, and I just did not notice).

Combination of all the above might point to Corona or not
Good to read it was just a mild hypochondria case. Considering the alternatives, this is the best possible outcome
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I think right now we are sailing in the direction of lockdown. If I remember correctly the federal council suggests to close non-essential shops on Jan 13, and as the rhetoric about schools changed a lot on SRF in the recent week, the school closing will probably follow shortly afterwards.
Why now? Cases and deaths not changed in months. Is it just because the end is in sight (at least in terms of deaths)?
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Old 11.01.2021, 10:57
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I think it went to near zero because of spring/summer rather than because of lockdown. Would probably have gone that way without lockdown.



It'll be quite a move if they close the schools and leave the ski resorts open .. I can home school my kids in the morning then take them skiing in the afternoon.

It wouldn't surprise but I think that would be total madness...
I think it's utter madness and selfishness that they kept the ski resorts open in the first place.
I hope they do close the schools and non essential shops until more folk have the vaccination.
Imo anyone refusing the vaccine without a good reason shouldn't expect any sympathy if they get the virus. It is people like that who are going to prolong this whole situation.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:03
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I think it's utter madness and selfishness that they kept the ski resorts open in the first place.
I hope they do close the schools and non essential shops until more folk have the vaccination.
Imo anyone refusing the vaccine without a good reason shouldn't expect any sympathy if they get the virus. It is people like that who are going to prolong this whole situation.
But we're nowhere near getting vaccine for the general population .. I just checked now, it told me I'm not eligible and I should check again in a month to see if the criteria has changed.

I agree on the skiiing, much as I've loved getting to ski locally, it's madness and selfish .. Why close everything else and leave that open, it's still a crowd of people in one place.

Anyways .. It'll be spring soon, it'll go away - again :0)

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Old 11.01.2021, 11:23
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But we're nowhere near getting vaccine for the general population .. I just checked now, it told me I'm not eligible and I should check again in a month to see if the criteria has changed.

I agree on the skiiing, much as I've loved getting to ski locally, it's madness and selfish .. Why close everything else and leave that open, it's still a crowd of people in one place.

Anyways .. It'll be spring soon, it'll go away - again :0)

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Les critères de vaccination sont mis à jour régulièrement et les changements sont communiqués sur CoronaVax. Vous serez peut-être bientôt éligible et nous vous conseillons de refaire le CoronaVax dans 1 mois.
I haven't enquired yet when I'm likely to get the vaccine.I imagine it will be a while even though according to my doctor I'm in a risk group due to diabetes.
I feel really sorry for the businesses that have to stay closed due to COVID. They must be steaming mad at the unfairness of their closure while the resorts stay open.

I just hope that come Spring,things are more positive.I don't want to see green spaces taped off and the lake fenced off like last year.It was incredibly demoralising.
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But we're nowhere near getting vaccine for the general population .. I just checked now, it told me I'm not eligible and I should check again in a month to see if the criteria has changed.
That will change soon. As we approve second vax and start getting Lonza batches.

P.S. to all those who say that we are late vax buyers and will never see anything until Autumn, consider this: Moderna has obligo of ca. 500M doses but recently announced that their 2021 production will reach up to 1000M, thanks to the expansion of their own lines and recent green light for Lonza to start production. This means that all obligo (including 7.5M for Switzerland which would cover ca. 50% of the population, if we exclude kids) is likely to be shipped by mid-Summer.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:27
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But why should we close non-essential shops? Because it brings crowds to the city centre? That is the only reason why I can see it happening. However, most of these small shops have limitations on how many people can enter anyway... I don't see the point of destroying all small businesses when it isn't proven this is a place where the virus spreads....
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:31
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what the difference between Roche and Abbot? Do Roche test t-cells as well?
Not sure, Abbott claims to be more accurate according to a friend who did if for me.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:42
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But why should we close non-essential shops? Because it brings crowds to the city centre? That is the only reason why I can see it happening. However, most of these small shops have limitations on how many people can enter anyway... I don't see the point of destroying all small businesses when it isn't proven this is a place where the virus spreads....
Its not even likely as there's little prolonged exposure. Quite a bit of the measures are there to be seen to be doing something.

It's also worth mentioning that some of these non-essential items are actually quite essential. My little girl needs her first shoes soon - does that count as non-essential?
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:50
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But why should we close non-essential shops? Because it brings crowds to the city centre? That is the only reason why I can see it happening. However, most of these small shops have limitations on how many people can enter anyway... I don't see the point of destroying all small businesses when it isn't proven this is a place where the virus spreads....
I don’t understand this either.
It’s not as if people spend hours loitering in these shops and they’re not close to other people for prolonged periods.
And who deciders what is essential and what isn’t? A lightbulb is pretty essential if one blows and your stairwell is plunged into permanent darkness. Should we all rush out and buy loads of spare bulbs just in case one blows while the shops are shut?
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It'll be quite a move if they close the schools and leave the ski resorts open .. I can home school my kids in the morning then take them skiing in the afternoon.
Exactly. There is a today's article on SRF that the closure of schools decreases mobility of the population 20%. For my family it's the opposite. When the kids are at school I stay home. If they have home schooling I have to go out with them in the afternoon to the playground, forest etc to let them be on the fresh air and have some physical activity. I spent outside more time during spring lockdown that I would have done otherwise.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:52
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Switzerland's decision to close schools was one of most effective measures of reducing Covid spread, study says - (not yet peer-reviewed).
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I think this was always going to be the case and more wishful thinking to believe otherwise. Question is more whether children's education is a price worth paying. I can live with senior schools closing but not junior unless it's for a few weeks only.
Third most effective measure as per this study, after restriction of meetings to 5 persons and closing of restaurants. There was a study in Lancet recently that showed similar results, but also found that only in combination the measures were effective to bring R below 1 (data is from wave 1, so before virus variants).

I don't have a high degree of confidence in those mathematical models, but results intuitively feel right to me.

The question of the opportunity cost is the right one. I hope that schools will stay open as long as possible, at least for primary schools where remote schooling is a fantasy. For secondary school I think remote can work well and at least the kids here have been set up and trained.

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But why should we close non-essential shops? Because it brings crowds to the city centre? That is the only reason why I can see it happening. However, most of these small shops have limitations on how many people can enter anyway... I don't see the point of destroying all small businesses when it isn't proven this is a place where the virus spreads....
I have a great idea: all those in favour of a lockdown ask their employers to transfer their full salary directly to those affected business owners so that they can survive. Like this, we can have a lockdown as long as needed and nobody will be affected.
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Old 11.01.2021, 11:58
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But why should we close non-essential shops? Because it brings crowds to the city centre? That is the only reason why I can see it happening. However, most of these small shops have limitations on how many people can enter anyway... I don't see the point of destroying all small businesses when it isn't proven this is a place where the virus spreads....
I don't want to see anymore businesses go under either but I think right now discouraging people from going into shopping centres has to be one of the ways of slowing this virus down.
If people can only shop for what they really need then it will reduce the number of people going out. If this is done now then hopefully the Covid cases will start falling and so will the deaths.
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"The lockdown riot is underway - the first restaurants have opened"

https://www.20min.ch/story/diese-sch...e-206177847382
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"The lockdown riot is underway - the first restaurants have opened"

https://www.20min.ch/story/diese-sch...e-206177847382
Question for the people that read laws: what happens to the customers if there are more than 15 customers in the context of gatherings of more than 15 people not allowed?
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The right thing to do would be for the so-called "People's party" to actually do something to help. Ueli Maurer is the one who is spreading "we have no money" BS. And he is the SVP.

I live in this country for over 30 years and based on my previous experiences as entrepreneur I was very much surprised, shocked even to see how Switzerland helped companies / entrepreneurs in the spring and how SVP did not raise a stink, I thought I live in a different country but alas, no, things are back to normal, douche bags did not suddenly transform into responsible people. Now we see SVP doing everything in their power to avoid helping (i.e. raising taxes), instead they'd rather kill off couple of thousand "worthless" people.

It is so typical of this party, block real solutions, blame others on ruining life of "hard working swiss population" and come up with some insane populist proposals that, sadly, resonate with part of the public. Of course they also usually chose minorities that are weak to attack. Sick people, people on wellfare, invalids, refugees, etc. And same now, because what they demand essentially would kill off many sick / weak and elderly. But hey, those people do not work, load AHV and maybe even -oh my god- get help / financial support, so double win: AHV is relieved and taxes stay low.
If they could the SVP would implement forced euthanasia for those that are a 'drag on the state'.



After this pandemic I lost any symphaty I had before for libertarian pricks like Mauer and Ron Paul, who are obsessed with money. They might have some points in theory about keeping a balanced budget, but then they push it to the extreme and end up on the wrong side of history.
What's the problem with making some debt? Better letting people starve and die on the street? The debt will be repaid once the economy picks up again, instead of being in a permanent depression due to your fetish gold standard.

Imagine if one of these pricks would have blocked the Marshall Plan after WWII because 'American taxpayer can't afford to help those pesky Europeans'.
Really the worst people after neo-nazis...selfish, can't see outside their little garden, little-minded, think that the world starts and ends at their small garden. If it was for them we'd still live in the middle ages.

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Third most effective measure as per this study, after restriction of meetings to 5 persons and closing of restaurants. There was a study in Lancet recently that showed similar results, but also found that only in combination the measures were effective to bring R below 1 (data is from wave 1, so before virus variants).

I don't have a high degree of confidence in those mathematical models, but results intuitively feel right to me.

The question of the opportunity cost is the right one. I hope that schools will stay open as long as possible, at least for primary schools were remote schooling is a fantasy. For secondary school I think remote can work well and at least the kids here have been set up and trained.
And you will never get those formative years back. Sure you might be able to repeat a year at 16, but at 6 its not that simple.

The only kids not going to primary school should be with someone highly clinically vulnerable at home.
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And you will never get those formative years back. Sure you might be able to repeat a year at 16, but at 6 its not that simple.

The only kids not going to primary school should be with someone highly clinically vulnerable at home.
Agree, although "years" is a bit exaggereated at least here. So far, our kids have missed a total of 7 weeks in spring last year. Which were technically "remote schooling".
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