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Euronews last night said that 50% of Swiss restaurants and hotels risk bankrupcy.
Technically, 100% of all businesses everywhere risk bankruptcy.
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Old 12.01.2021, 08:02
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These two numbers are for four days, not 3 as usual. So they are not really comparable.
Fixed, better?

I was just trying to get an overall picture of how low they have gone in recent weeks because I am worried that in tomorrow's meeting they might lift the light lockdown in ZH, BR+ facing pressure from various groups.

It was a low as 1548, so I hope they don't think 6523 means all is good. From a selfish POV, I have invested in something lockdown related, and I need the lockdown to continue a bit longer for me to make up some money, I lost a lot due to Corona

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Old 12.01.2021, 08:21
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Fixed, better?

I was just trying to get an overall picture of how low they have gone in recent weeks because I am worried that in tomorrow's meeting they might lift the light lockdown in ZH, BR+ facing pressure from various groups.

It was a low as 1548, so I hope they don't think 6523 means all is good. From a selfish POV, I have invested in something lockdown related, and I need the lockdown to continue a bit longer for me to make up some money, I lost a lot due to Corona

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In my opinion thatís not low enough for them to consider relaxing things.
They know that the UK variant is circulating here and there is a risk of a spike in numbers. They also know that itís about now that weíll see the effects of Christmas and New Year get togethers on the numbers.

Theyíre not going to be relaxing anything this week.
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Old 12.01.2021, 08:46
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In my opinion thatís not low enough for them to consider relaxing things.
They know that the UK variant is circulating here and there is a risk of a spike in numbers. They also know that itís about now that weíll see the effects of Christmas and New Year get togethers on the numbers.

Theyíre not going to be relaxing anything this week.
Agreed.

Although despite what many Swiss seem think I don't think they will be tightening the screw significantly just yet either. But because of version B.1.1.7 they are ready to bring more in pretty quickly if it does all go tits up.
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Agreed.

Although despite what many Swiss seem think I don't think they will be tightening the screw significantly just yet either. But because of version B.1.1.7 they are ready to bring more in pretty quickly if it does all go tits up.
I agree. I think theyíll leave things as they are for now whilst monitoring the situation very closely.
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Old 12.01.2021, 09:11
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Just thought I'd give a head's up about this...

I just spent almost an hour on the phone with the man who is the Head of the "Corona team" for our son's school and for all the schools in our village of Greifensee. He told me that they are considering making masks mandatory for primary school children here in CH, as they have been in France and Germany. I'm not sure if that would apply in all cantons or just some, but apparently it is one option that is being discussed and considered right now and could potentially be one of the new requirements announced tomorrow.

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...and the most fundamental of all, the right to die in suffering after being rejected the medical treatment due to insufficient capacity.
And don't forget, if you do make it to a hospital bed, you will be all alone when you die. No right to have someone you love hold your hand as you pass on...

TC, I consider breathing a human right. My asthmatic self knows well what it feels like not to be able to breathe. Our government should be protecting their people by asking small sacrifices (like masks) to protect the fundamental human right to breathe and be healthy.

I am incredibly disappointed that the government is not offering support to the businesses they have forced to close...and has MC said, they still insist young people crowd together on public transport & schools, but screw the businesses they frequent. It would make so much more sense to offer distance learning for a few weeks to get the numbers down quickly than to do what they've done. Destroyed all small businesses while still keeping the numbers high over a prolonged period of time...
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Old 12.01.2021, 09:34
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And don't forget, if you do make it to a hospital bed, you will be all alone when you die. No right to have someone you love hold your hand as you pass on...

TC, I consider breathing a human right. My asthmatic self knows well what it feels like not to be able to breathe. Our government should be protecting their people by asking small sacrifices (like masks) to protect the fundamental human right to breathe and be healthy.

I am incredibly disappointed that the government is not offering support to the businesses they have forced to close...and has MC said, they still insist young people crowd together on public transport & schools, but screw the businesses they frequent. It would make so much more sense to offer distance learning for a few weeks to get the numbers down quickly than to do what they've done. Destroyed all small businesses while still keeping the numbers high over a prolonged period of time...
That's another fundamental right now denied, being able to be at the bedside of a loved one when they pass.

Even if health services are overwhelmed, which has yet to have happened on any significant scale, then the sacrifices (that are not small at all) are still not a price worth paying.
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Old 12.01.2021, 09:42
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That's another fundamental right now denied, being able to be at the bedside of a loved one when they pass.

What fundamental right??


It is horrible when that happens but I never thought that to be a right.
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That's another fundamental right now denied, being able to be at the bedside of a loved one when they pass.

Even if health services are overwhelmed, which has yet to have happened on any significant scale, then the sacrifices (that are not small at all) are still not a price worth paying.
Maybe not, but if a bunch of people insist upon parading into a sterile space to watch their family member die, it is an enormous strain on the available staff to get them ready. To protect other patients.

And while health services might not be overwhelmed, they are stretched thin.

And yes, I know how important it is to be with people you love when they die. Thirty years ago this week, i was with my mother when she died, so Iím not insensitive to that...it is a privilege. But, itís not a right, itís not always a wonderful, spiritual experience - though it can be - and if it causes a significant disruption, risk of infection, it is inappropriate.
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And yes, I know how important it is to be with people you love when they die. Thirty years ago this week, i was with my mother when she died, so Iím not insensitive to that...it is a privilege. But, itís not a right, itís not always a wonderful, spiritual experience - though it can be - and if it causes a significant disruption, risk of infection, it is inappropriate.
Imagine how awful it is for the person dying...to be all alone and with nothing but people in hazmat gear for company.
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Old 12.01.2021, 10:19
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What fundamental right??

It is horrible when that happens but I never thought that to be a right.
It's a natural right of basic human moral decency.
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Old 12.01.2021, 10:24
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Just thought I'd give a head's up about this...

I just spent almost an hour on the phone with the man who is the Head of the "Corona team" for our son's school and for all the schools in our village of Greifensee. He told me that they are considering making masks mandatory for primary school children here in CH, as they have been in France and Germany. I'm not sure if that would apply in all cantons or just some, but apparently it is one option that is being discussed and considered right now and could potentially be one of the new requirements announced tomorrow.

P.S. "Don't shoot the messenger"
I am all for masks, but I don't really see the point of this. If adults - and even medical professionals - cannot wear marks correctly, how can we expect primary school children to do this?

Far better to vaccinate teachers...
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Imagine how awful it is for the person dying...to be all alone and with nothing but people in hazmat gear for company.
I think the only possibly safe way for anyone to visit their dying loved one in a COVID ICU ward is if they were also wearing hazmat suits. I'm not sure how easily available those are.
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I am all for masks, but I don't really see the point of this. If adults - and even medical professionals - cannot wear marks correctly, how can we expect primary school children to do this?

Far better to vaccinate teachers...
Children can be taught how to wear them. My son (9 years old) has worn them before, and I asked him this morning if he would be okay having to wear one in the classroom, and he said "Sure."

Part of the issue is finding ones that fit correctly. I had bought three boxes of children's disposable masks last summer, online, and they are all a bit too small for him (better suited for 4 - 7) year olds. And yet adult-sized masks are too big for him.

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I am all for masks, but I don't really see the point of this. If adults - and even medical professionals - cannot wear marks correctly, how can we expect primary school children to do this?

Far better to vaccinate teachers...
Of course, not to mention the impact on developing and learning on young children. This is why I'm almost certain Switzerland won't bring this requirement in.
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Imagine how awful it is for the person dying...to be all alone and with nothing but people in hazmat gear for company.
Although, if you’re intubated and sedated, what are you aware of? Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s horrible to be so isolated if you are cognizant, but there is no good alternative if you are in the ICU.

And medical staff hate this. I saw a comment though, from an ICU nurse last week. They extubated a patient who was about to die, and the family watched (not the procedure, the aftermath) via an iPad or something. The nurse said it was sad enough, but then to see 10 or 15 people in close contact, maskless, made her just so angry. More patients.
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Imagine how awful it is for the person dying...to be all alone and with nothing but people in hazmat gear for company.
A family member died just a few days after Christmas. He was unconscious due to sedatives for almost 3 weeks so the pipe delivering oxygen directly to his trachea was not rejected. If there was a time to say goodbye, it was before the fever took away his mind.....like 3 weeks before dying. So don't wait until people is in the hospital in induced coma to find the will to say I love you or something like that.
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Just thought I'd give a head's up about this...

I just spent almost an hour on the phone with the man who is the Head of the "Corona team" for our son's school
1 hour? Poor guy must be drained I would be disappointed with you, if during your long conversation you did not invite him to EF for valuable insight on Corona related stuff
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So don't wait until people is in the hospital in induced coma to find the will to say I love you or something like that.
Good point! I love you Axa (in a non-romantic way, even though you are the hottest Mexican lady on this forum)
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