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We are not your teachers. Try googling it, it's not difficult (either google or understanding a 7 day moving average).
Oh dear.. I know what a seven day rolling average per 100k people is.. really???

Tells you knothing you can relate too lnor does any data give the % of fatalities that involved no previous medical condition.

By the way as Lockdown extended......

7 day rolling average fatalities...(actual numbers)

40-49 Years ... ZERO
30-39 Years ... ZERO
20-29 Years ... ZERO
10-19 Years ... ZERO
0-9 Years ... ZERO
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Old 14.01.2021, 12:26
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Well that was alot of long meaningless drivel wrapped around an insult.
The data that I and many others would like to see is as I stated before.

It is hidden as you cannot aquire it. Perhaps you could see through my 7 day rolling average ignorance and tell me?

Try to reply without petty insults.
you can download all the raw data from the john hopkins github site if want to slice and dice it how you like.

you keep mentioning the divide between people over and under 50 or 60. you are expressing yourself as someone who doesn't give a crap about anyone over 50 because you are not. i suspect you don't really think this, you just think that the best approach overall should be rules that are aimed at protecting a targeted subset of the whole population that are more at risk. but instead you are making yourself just sound like a selfish a'hole (which i'm sure you're not).

right now you sound like all the old people who are saying everyone needs to pay whatever cost necessary to protect them. its no different. lack of empathy and selfishness.
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Old 14.01.2021, 12:27
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Re: Coronavirus

On today's Tribune de Genève:

The cantons with the highest excess mortality in 2020 were Geneva and Ticino (+24.3%), and Fribourg (+20.3%).

In those cantons, there were weeks where deaths tripled over the ordinary level.
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Old 14.01.2021, 12:35
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Oh dear.. I know what a seven day rolling average per 100k people is.. really???
Well good thing you asked what it was yesterday then.

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Again, the smoke and mirrors...
What is a...
“7 day rolling average of new cases per 100k”

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Tells you knothing you can relate too lnor does any data give the % of fatalities that involved no previous medical condition.

By the way as Lockdown extended......

7 day rolling average fatalities...(actual numbers)

40-49 Years ... ZERO
30-39 Years ... ZERO
20-29 Years ... ZERO
10-19 Years ... ZERO
0-9 Years ... ZERO
Are you looking to do a detailed study for us and can't find the numbers? There are many people who don't agree with the lockdown for different reasons, but it looks like you just want to rage against the machine.
There was data out there a while ago on pre-existing conditions and comorbidities, I'm not sure have they been updated or is the focus on other things at the moment.
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Old 14.01.2021, 12:41
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Re: Coronavirus

Meanwhile, back in sunny Switzerland:

"Coronavirus: British tourist blamed for Lauberhorn ski race cancellation"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55645396

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Old 14.01.2021, 12:44
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Yipi!!! Let's all go to the Ski slopes! Good social distancing! Never any accidents on the Ski slopes eh?

I thought Hospitals were full? That's the reasons for the new restricions init?

Enjoy the snow Effers

stay Healthy

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Whilst I find it funny that everything gets shut except the ski slopes, I'm going skiing 3 times per week.

I decided that this year I won't head to the big resorts, crowded tele cabins and big queues, expensive, no buvette, chance of being shipped to some far hospital if I break something etc etc.
So been at my tiny local resort .. Button lifts only, tiny queues, everybody wearing a mask and keeping distance.

It's great getting out for a few hours in the fresh air..
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Old 14.01.2021, 12:50
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Re: Coronavirus

So, they're locking us in again. First reaction: Gotta get stuff done, like get rid off the huge, broken tv which is in my car since before Christmas etc. etc.
That's probably what crosses lots of people's minds and to me is the problem with lockdowns starting 5 days after being announced. So it will get worse before it gets better.

Well, I'll resist. That tv does not bother me, I'm not really driving anywhere am I and even if I do, it did not bother me the past 3 weeks. Still, it intrigued me, this "end of the world" urge to get all kinds of things done which were perfectly okay to neglect out of laziness so far.
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Old 14.01.2021, 12:54
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Things that surprisingly need to be said, but......there's a reason the hair shampoo has written instructions

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https://www.swissmedic.ch/swissmedic..._internet.html
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Blick: Parmelin changed sides overnight (over the need for stronger measures)

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Epidemiologist Andreas Cerny said, were the situation to develop like in the UK, "with a health system that is stretched almost to the limit, we don't have much of a chance. If we were to record such awful infection figures, it could become difficult to vaccinate. The medical staff would have to take care of the sick, and the sick could not be vaccinated."

And as Berset warned: "The third wave is coming in February." One way or another. But the good news according to him is that we still have time to react now. "It is still early enough to take effective measures." That convinced the Federal Council - except for one member.

Only Ueli Maurer (70) did not. At the Federal Council meeting, he is said to have not only spoken out against any tightening, but even demanded loosening. Because in all the proposals to combat the virus, the price tag was missing, he argued.
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Old 14.01.2021, 13:48
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Re: Coronavirus

Had my first injection this morning. I was in and out in 25 minutes including the 15 minute wait afterwards. Booked for my second in 28 days. I got my certificate by email before I left the building.

When they say this vaccine is 96% effective does that mean that out of 100 recipients 4 could still be infected?
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Old 14.01.2021, 13:50
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Blick: Parmelin changed sides overnight (over the need for stronger measures)
WTF?

The SVP now wants to apply for an extraordinary session at the beginning of next week. A corresponding letter will be sent to the parliamentary services shortly.

Objective: The tightening should be reversed.
And: "We also want to prevent the planned extensions of the existing measures until the end of February," clarifies Aeschi.
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Old 14.01.2021, 13:55
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I certainly hope the military are being trained in how to give vaccinations. It isn’t rocket science and certainly doesn’t need a doctor or a nurse.

In fact giving responsibility now to the military would take some pressure off medical staff.
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:00
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When they say this vaccine is 96% effective does that mean that out of 100 recipients 4 could still be infected?
It's stops you being ill, not being infected & spreading COVID to others.
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:01
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Oh dear.. I know what a seven day rolling average per 100k people is.. really???

Tells you knothing you can relate too lnor does any data give the % of fatalities that involved no previous medical condition.

By the way as Lockdown extended......

7 day rolling average fatalities...(actual numbers)

40-49 Years ... ZERO
30-39 Years ... ZERO
20-29 Years ... ZERO
10-19 Years ... ZERO
0-9 Years ... ZERO
So many "ZERO"s, lockdowns are working bigly.
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:05
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I certainly hope the military are being trained in how to give vaccinations. It isn’t rocket science and certainly doesn’t need a doctor or a nurse.

In fact giving responsibility now to the military would take some pressure off medical staff.
You need medical staff for the rare cases where people have a severe reaction during the 15-minute wait.

Due to the new restrictions, I got my ereader out of the cupboard and charged it up. Surprisingly my local library has a lot of recent English books for free download, that will help to face the corona doldrums.
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you can download all the raw data from the john hopkins github site if want to slice and dice it how you like.

you keep mentioning the divide between people over and under 50 or 60. you are expressing yourself as someone who doesn't give a crap about anyone over 50 because you are not. i suspect you don't really think this, you just think that the best approach overall should be rules that are aimed at protecting a targeted subset of the whole population that are more at risk. but instead you are making yourself just sound like a selfish a'hole (which i'm sure you're not).

right now you sound like all the old people who are saying everyone needs to pay whatever cost necessary to protect them. its no different. lack of empathy and selfishness.
The data is NOT there . that is my whole point. The lockdown is / has destroyed the economy. I select <50 as that demographic is the most effected by lockdown with minimal return in terms of lives saved.

The money should be directed specifically at elderly and those with medical conditions that present higher risk if infected.

The trillions spent / lost with lockdown approach ?? To me, surely , a targeted care strategy on elderly and at risk is the obvious way and would be a tiny fraction of current debacle.

I am 54.

More veiled insults. “a-hole” “selfish”. If you do not agree with my point of view then I respect that.
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So many "ZERO"s, lockdowns are working bigly.
4th May 2020 to 9th August 2020.... No Lockdown


7 day rolling average fatalities...(actual numbers)

40-49 Years ... ZERO
30-39 Years ... ZERO
20-29 Years ... ZERO
10-19 Years ... ZERO
0-9 Years ... 1
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:11
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I certainly hope the military are being trained in how to give vaccinations. It isn’t rocket science and certainly doesn’t need a doctor or a nurse.

In fact giving responsibility now to the military would take some pressure off medical staff.
I don't think they are. My son who is in the Medical Corps has been trained to give vaccinations (albeit in an emergency life-saving scenario). A bit of extra practice would soon bring him up to standard, but his troop has not been called up. In his case, he might get used in some way as he works in a hospital, but he's not heard anything from the Army.
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:15
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Blick: Parmelin changed sides overnight (over the need for stronger measures)
Actually I noticed that as well about Parmelin at the press conference. The guy was very much awake too all of a sudden!

Maurer has to keep an eye on the finances. It's his job. He's doing it. It's the toughest and most unpopular one of the seven at the moment.
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:35
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The data is NOT there . that is my whole point. The lockdown is / has destroyed the economy. I select <50 as that demographic is the most effected by lockdown with minimal return in terms of lives saved.
Switzerland has a great flexibility with us foreigners. People that cannot claim unemployment benefits have to leave, so unemployment numbers stay low as always. There are ethical implications, but not economic problems at all.

2020 was a positive record year on stock markets. Inflation? Only on my belly, purchase power remains stable. Consumer debt crisis? There's potential for a crisis, nothing happening yet.

I think the only metric that may be go up, is business failure. But, it's business bankruptcy, not people bankruptcy. Yes, it's sad but business go up and down. Histories about a lifetime to make it grow just tell people never diversified. If you haven only a source of income, you may stay as salaried person.

But that's my opinion. Maybe I'm biased because I've lived with 30+% annual inflation
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