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Maybe I'm biased because I've lived with 30+% annual inflation
Where was that?
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:46
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Is there a real chance of the light lockdown getting lifted before March? Surely they can't back track now after announcing yesterday's extension!!!! Is this just political posturing?
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:46
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Re: Coronavirus

Today’s numbers

2474 new cases, 106 hospitalisations and 53 deaths.
24465 tests.
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2474 new cases and 53 deaths
The numbers are getting down, this is great.
I wonder why the lockdown was tightened?
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The numbers are getting down, this is great.
I wonder why the lockdown was tightened?
Because the looked at what is happening in Ireland, England and Wegen.
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Old 14.01.2021, 14:58
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It's stops you being ill, not being infected & spreading COVID to others.
It's actually not certain yet. Very probably it stops you being infected or at least stops you being sufficiently infected to pass the disease on to others. Exactly the same as natural immunity.

But they're not yet absolutely certain, the doubt is because these are very new types of vaccines.
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Old 14.01.2021, 15:03
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To me, surely , a targeted care strategy on elderly and at risk is the obvious way and would be a tiny fraction of current debacle.
Only problem is those strategies have been repeatedly shown to not work. The virus comes in with carers or visitors every time. And yes, you can stop visitors but you can't stop carers and you can't force them to live in isolation.

Under 65s mostly still have to work despite their increased risk.

The vulnerable population in Switzerland is estimated at 2½ million people.
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The numbers are getting down, this is great.
I wonder why the lockdown was tightened?
We did have school holidays over christmas & new years plus many took days off over the holidays, so less movement.
Maybe that could be a reason for the current lower numbers aswell?
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Old 14.01.2021, 15:08
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Where was that?
The poorly named Mexico Tequila crisis from 1994. It was an economic crisis, nothing to deal with alcohol scarcity I was still studying at the time but I fully understood the challenges my parents faced.

I totally understand that if someone loses his job because of the lockdown, there's an impulse to use the economic destruction hyperbole. But, it's just an hyperbole, nothing serious to discuss.
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Only problem is those strategies have been repeatedly shown to not work. The virus comes in with carers or visitors every time. And yes, you can stop visitors but you can't stop carers and you can't force them to live in isolation.

Under 65s mostly still have to work despite their increased risk.

The vulnerable population in Switzerland is estimated at 2½ million people.
Canton Uri adopted a policy where all elderly stayed home and food / medicines / essentials were delivered by local school children.
For a good while they had zero cases then the approach was banned by the Federal Government.

How can you say it has repeatedly been shown not to work?
Also you say “we cant force them to live in isolation” but we can force whole population to observe lockdown?

I only challenging the approach as for me it is ludicrous. Masks for example, on the packaging of shop-bought masks it clearly states “does not protect against Covid” So is that a pointless rule? what is science behind transmission with/without masks.
Everyone on buses super angry if they see someone without a mask but remove immediately when alighting through a crowd of people boarding.

It is a blind strategy , mis-directed care and ruining peoples livelihoods.
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Old 14.01.2021, 15:45
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Whilst I find it funny that everything gets shut except the ski slopes, I'm going skiing 3 times per week.

I decided that this year I won't head to the big resorts, crowded tele cabins and big queues, expensive, no buvette, chance of being shipped to some far hospital if I break something etc etc.
So been at my tiny local resort .. Button lifts only, tiny queues, everybody wearing a mask and keeping distance.

It's great getting out for a few hours in the fresh air..
Well that's nice indeed...the people I've known who have gone skiing, have been staying in hotels. All the travel, staying in accommodation etc opens people up to unnecessary exposure.

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Had my first injection this morning. I was in and out in 25 minutes including the 15 minute wait afterwards. Booked for my second in 28 days. I got my certificate by email before I left the building.
Nice, I'm envious. How were you able to get it so fast? No worries if you don't feel like sharing the reason... I'm just desperate and don't think I will get mine anytime soon despite being part of the risk group.
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Nice, I'm envious. How were you able to get it so fast? No worries if you don't feel like sharing the reason... I'm just desperate and don't think I will get mine anytime soon despite being part of the risk group.
Well, if you scroll back a couple of pages you will see my story. In a nutshell I’m 66, a T1 diabetic and a cancer survivor. I logged on the Cantonal web-site, answered a few questions and got the appointment.

I had previously advocated that health workers get the vaccine first but it didn’t look like that was going to happen, so I got in the queue.
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Re: Coronavirus

Hi everybody...

We all know what yesterday Bundesrat said about home-office. I work in an office because the boss doesnt like home-office. Now he says that the Bundesrat rules are not really clear - if we should work from home or not. His excuse: "we have a big office and a lot of space". Which is true. So here we are again. Who is right here?
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Old 14.01.2021, 16:39
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Hi everybody...

We all know what yesterday Bundesrat said about home-office. I work in an office because the boss doesnt like home-office. Now he says that the Bundesrat rules are not really clear - if we should work from home or not. His excuse: "we have a big office and a lot of space". Which is true. So here we are again. Who is right here?
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The text from BAG is pretty clear.
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If you do not agree with my point of view then I respect that.
i do actually agree with you. i just think you're doing a poor job of arguing the case and alienating people unnecessarily.
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Old 14.01.2021, 17:04
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It's stops you being ill, not being infected & spreading COVID to others.
There is no evidence that it stops you from spreading COVID to others.

It is entirely possible you could be carrying the virus in your nose and throat without being sick but still capable of spreading it, for example.

Needs more research to clarify if that is a real risk.
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Today’s numbers

2474 new cases, 106 hospitalisations and 53 deaths.
24465 tests.
Isn’t 53 stated as the difference from previous day ?

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
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Re: Coronavirus

So, the Wengen Lauberhorn race cancelled - that is going to be very costly for the resort.

Was it not Wigmore from Leave UK who boasted about the 'Wiggy von Trapps' making the great escape from Wengen when told to isolate. He and his family drove to the airport and took TGV/Eurostar to get back to UK instead of following instructions from CH Government and thought it was hilarious and heroic.
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i do actually agree with you. i just think you're doing a poor job of arguing the case and alienating people unnecessarily.
Alienating who? Other forum members?

Also I am not arguing a case but meerly questioning why I cannot readily find key data that is relevant to me. Haven’t questioned users inability to find.
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Old 14.01.2021, 17:16
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Isn’t 53 stated as the difference from previous day ?

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview
Yes, so are the number of cases and number of hospitalisations.

The numbers are always given as the difference from the previous day.
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