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Old 18.01.2021, 18:11
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In better news, although only anecdotal, my son received the Pfizer vaccine from his employer on Saturday (Unispital) and one of the Professors there remarked that research from Israel shows that the vaccine does seem to be stopping vaccinated people from contracting the virus and thereby infecting others.
...one reason Israel managed to get their hands on such a supply of the Pfizer vaccine is that they agreed to share patient data with Pfizer. They realised that here the general public good easily outweighed patient confidentially. If only some other governments could wake up to this.
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Published numbers for fri, sat & sun combined are 4703 out of 48 k tests

203 hospitalisations
121 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last weekend
Very good news, with some luck Switzerland will enter the worst part of the epidemics with step downcurve and this will save lot's of lives.

Now it is important that government not yield to "yeeee, let's totally open up and not wear masks" voices that without any doubt will become more vocal.
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Old 18.01.2021, 19:52
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...one reason Israel managed to get their hands on such a supply of the Pfizer vaccine is that they agreed to share patient data with Pfizer. They realised that here the general public good easily outweighed patient confidentially. If only some other governments could wake up to this.
Patient data belongs to patients, not to governments. Sharing patient data involves patient concent, and actually there are a lot of privacy concerns over the Israel’s agreement with Pfizer. I don’t think the governments should be routinely sharing data with pharma companies, pharma has to collect data themselves and follow the privacy protection laws.
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Does the BAG give numbers about the two new coronavirus strains anywhere, or only during their press releases?
I guess it's time to place bets, which will become the dominant strain in the third wave in CH, African or UK variant?
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Old 18.01.2021, 23:49
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Non-essential stores closed from today. So why were FNAC, Swisscom and a Swiss chocolatier open in Fribourg this morning?
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Old 18.01.2021, 23:53
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Patient data belongs to patients, not to governments. Sharing patient data involves patient concent, and actually there are a lot of privacy concerns over the Israel’s agreement with Pfizer. I don’t think the governments should be routinely sharing data with pharma companies, pharma has to collect data themselves and follow the privacy protection laws.
You say it best yourself: this isn't routine, or a standard situation.
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Non-essential stores closed from today. So why were FNAC, Swisscom and a Swiss chocolatier open in Fribourg this morning?
Probably we should check if the definition of "non-essential" has changed.

But I remember in Spring, telecoms were actually open part-time. It is essential to have access to twitter these days.

I am rather wondering, why there were soooo many essential workers on the trains today. Didn't feel like the number of people reduced even a little bit.
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Old 19.01.2021, 00:29
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Non-essential stores closed from today. So why were FNAC, Swisscom and a Swiss chocolatier open in Fribourg this morning?
Chocolate is food, and a great one at it We were so happy that the chocolatier in Aarau stayed open also during the last April/May. I guess no one goes daily there, once or twice a month is enough. Also, it is not a shop with lots of customer traffic, even before the whole covid mess it was very infrequent to be at the shop with other customer.

If the point is to stay at home, books are essential. If there are no books, what else you can do? Drugs, more children from auslanders? The SVP people would be triggered

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I am rather wondering, why there were soooo many essential workers on the trains today. Didn't feel like the number of people reduced even a little bit.
I drove today to work to take a screen and a chair to work from home more comfortably. Packed the stuff an left 10 min later. Traffic on the A1 was normal, as if nothing were happening
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Old 19.01.2021, 00:42
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If the point is to stay at home, books are essential. If there are no books, what else you can do?
Pretty sure you can order books online!
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Old 19.01.2021, 00:59
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Pretty sure you can order books online!
There's everything online but serendipity

Back to what matters, distance among people, when have you seen a crowded bookstore?
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Old 19.01.2021, 01:02
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Patient data belongs to patients, not to governments. Sharing patient data involves patient concent, and actually there are a lot of privacy concerns over the Israelís agreement with Pfizer. I donít think the governments should be routinely sharing data with pharma companies, pharma has to collect data themselves and follow the privacy protection laws.
Totally agree- then on to Insurance companies too ... The basic principle is massively important.
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Old 19.01.2021, 02:05
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Re: Coronavirus

Here in Brazil it was hard to start to vaccinate the population, coz the gouvernment politicized Covid-19 towards his personal interests.
Yesterday it was historic mark for the nation, it began the vaccination campaign against Covid-19 in Sao Paulo, even if the Brazilian leader is against of vaccination.

Today, in the afternoon, it was turn for Rio de Janeiro.

https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-ne...-january-18th/

It's time to celebrate it.
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Old 19.01.2021, 08:15
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Listen to this from about 16Ĺ minutes. He talks about vaccine escape in the context of the South African variant but the same applies to natural herd immunity.

There was an article somewhere on the Manaus ourbreak which did specifically mention the herd immunity question. I'll see if I can find that in the morning...
Ski touring beat internet the last couple of days but I just found this in the Tagi (Deepl translation):

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In connection with E484K, virologist Christian Drosten from the Berlin Charitť Hospital has pointed out the extremely high infestation in South African townships. According to this, up to 50 per cent of the people living in such cramped conditions have already been infected with the coronavirus and have therefore also formed antibodies. "Against this immune pressure, a virus would possibly defend itself with such a mutation," Drosten said in his podcast. At least this possibility is one of the hypotheses for the origin of B1.351.
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/warum-t...9-2f684ff3364b (requires registration)
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Old 19.01.2021, 08:39
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Chocolate is food, and a great one at it We were so happy that the chocolatier in Aarau stayed open also during the last April/May. I guess no one goes daily there, once or twice a month is enough. Also, it is not a shop with lots of customer traffic, even before the whole covid mess it was very infrequent to be at the shop with other customer.

If the point is to stay at home, books are essential. If there are no books, what else you can do? Drugs, more children from auslanders? The SVP people would be triggered
Strangely enough books are not considered essential and stores selling books have to prevent access to them. I find that rather bizarre considering what other things are considered essential.
Libraries are open but bookstores arenít.

I was in the centre yesterday to get pet food as I decided against joining the massive queue on Saturday to get some. That was bizarre too, Iíve never seen a queue to get in the pet store before ever and it didnít even make sense since they were allowed to stay open.
The Manor in the centre has about half of the ground floor open selling Ďessentialí items and a click and collect desk with the rest of the store blocked off by giant shower curtains. The are allowed to sell toiletries, underwear, some childrenís and baby clothes, some household items and some stationery items. When I was there the police were there with the manager checking that it confirmed to the rules.
Now Iím not disputing that underwear is essential but itís not generally the kind of thing we need to buy urgently is it? Why was it considered necessary to keep underwear store open?
And flower stores?

Some of the Ďessentialí things seem anything but essential to me but hey, Iím not the one making the decisions.
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Strangely enough books are not considered essential and stores selling books have to prevent access to them. I find that rather bizarre considering what other things are considered essential.
Libraries are open but bookstores arenít.
Makes sense. You can easily buy books over the internet but a library requires you to pick up and return books.
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Old 19.01.2021, 10:13
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I thought libraries were closed? The ones in Bern are at least...

For goodness sakes, books are not essential (from a confessed bookworm) ... there are so many classics online for free and if you want to support your local book seller, you can most likely still order from them online.

One of my favorites:

https://www.biderundtanner.ch/start?...zIxfWu_6UsCQ--
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Old 19.01.2021, 10:25
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Totally agree- then on to Insurance companies too ... The basic principle is massively important.
The problem with insurance companies is if you want to claim you lose the privacy angle.
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Not anymore, the second wave death rate in Africa is above the global average.
I could be wrong (I've got no doubt you'll let me know if I am), but there seems to be a strong element of mean reversion to the second wave.
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Makes sense. You can easily buy books over the internet but a library requires you to pick up and return books.
When the libraries here were closed they all offered a book pick service.
I’m sure they could do the same now.
Books are important but they are pretty easy to get online be that e-books, from online stores or from libraries.
Browsing the library in person looking for books doesn’t seem like an essential activity to me.
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. Traffic on the A1 was normal, as if nothing were happening
Ditto, same around here on A1 both yesterday and today, no change. I wonder where everyone is going. And this was after I read an news article saying traffic was really reduced, apparently around Bern.

As for shops, I think IT stores are allowed, so that might explain Fnac. I went into a discount store, essential stuff like food, cleaning products, pots and pans were allowed. Other stuff like clothes, games, toys, etc. were cordoned off. Lady behind was in line had toy for her kid, not sure if cashier would allow it or not.

A local small business I frequent was closed but had a pick-up hotline number on the door, obvoisly to arrange take away service of merchandise. Call, order, pickup.
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