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Here's a good example of why high school / uni should be changed to distance learning:

https://www.20min.ch/story/ich-habe-...n-949146110723
Universities have been doing distance learning since the beginning of November and buses are still packed. And just because people are studying from home doesn't mean they won't go out.

Better to shut down public transport or reduce it to a mininum, keep schools, small shops and unis open and let people find whatever means they want to reach whatever destination they desire (shops, schools, unis, etc).
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Old 19.01.2021, 13:55
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Universities have been doing distance learning since the beginning of November and buses are still packed. And just because people are studying from home doesn't mean they won't go out.

Better to shut down public transport or reduce it to a mininum, keep schools, small shops and unis open and let people find whatever means they want to reach whatever destination they desire (shops, schools, unis, etc).
That kind of gives an unearned advantage to trottinette owners and people with extra cash for gas, instead of those who do their homework

Trains are uberpacked, I agree.

Keeping the schools open just for some people doesn't get rid off the problem of taking care of those who are at home. Double programs (presential and distance learning) are two different jobs.
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Old 19.01.2021, 13:57
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Re: Coronavirus

Fresh news from The Eastern Eropean Front - 6666 Covid patients hospitalized in CZ. R is still high, so very strict measures stay. Somebody got fined for "breaking a curfew for walking her husband" not a dog, as those are allowed (to be walked).
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Old 19.01.2021, 14:02
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You are both right - the population of Sweden has grown by nearly 10% since 2012 - so more deaths but a lower death rate.

FWIW I think the reason for this lower death rate is a large amount of migration into SE recently - which is predominantly young people dragging down the overall death rate. Comparing it to 2019 is more relevant - obviously since the population has not changed so much since then.
The flip side of that argument is that the immigrant population of Sweden has been disproportionately affected by Covid.

https://lakartidningen.se/klinik-och...%20Nordamerika.

Ultimately we're seeing that following the settled science pre-covid (ie not quarantining the healthy, not mandating masks, using standard health economics and quality-adjusted life year principles) that this holistic and utilitarian approach has not been the "disaster" that the English speaking media likes to portray.
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Old 19.01.2021, 14:04
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666(6) wow the name of the Beast. Is that the emergency number in CZ? Would not inspire my confidence, yiilkkkess.

Our granchildren in the UK are again, home educated. But their day is taken up entirely by teaching by their normal teachers- not sure if Zoom or other. They go from lesson to lesson, teacher to teacher- in many ways as they would if they were at school- and interact with the other kids in their class. As they go to two different (private) schools, they even have different times for breaks and lunch.

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Current data shows that 2020 was the highest death rate in Sweden since... 2012.
To be honest I am surprised that the yearly death rate is not that high when the reported number of daily deaths is higher. I think there could be two reasons — first, the reported Covid deaths could be covering deaths with all kinds of reasons, as long as the Covid infection is present. And second, the affected people are mostly older people, many of whom would have died during that year anyway, and the yearly death rate is not that much impacted.
I prefer looking at the total daily/weekly number of deaths compared to the expected. It is much higher than during the usual flu epidemic, which could be looked up for the previous years.
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Old 19.01.2021, 14:07
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Universities have been doing distance learning since the beginning of November and buses are still packed. And just because people are studying from home doesn't mean they won't go out.

Better to shut down public transport or reduce it to a mininum, keep schools, small shops and unis open and let people find whatever means they want to reach whatever destination they desire (shops, schools, unis, etc).
Reducing transport would just crowd the transport more ... & people do need to get to places, if I were sick and needed to go to the doctor, would I be expected to walk in the snow?

The buses I see packed are full of teenagers ... I do not know which school they are going to, but whatever school teenagers go to (back home it would be just "high school"). We all know that these teens have the propensity to not be cautious about this virus and or bringing it home to their families...I really believe there should either be a "pause" (for welding courses etc.) or distance learning for 3 months. This shouldn't effect their future too much...they would most likely be happy about it, I know I would have as a teenager.

https://www.20min.ch/story/gymnasias...t-836164721572

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Old 19.01.2021, 14:18
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To be honest I am surprised that the yearly death rate is not that high when the reported number of daily deaths is higher. I think there could be two reasons — first, the reported Covid deaths could be covering deaths with all kinds of reasons, as long as the Covid infection is present. And second, the affected people are mostly older people, many of whom would have died during that year anyway, and the yearly death rate is not that much impacted.
This is calculated from all deaths in Sweden. Another factor could be that the death rates for the elderly in Sweden was lower in the last 2-3 years. I've said all along that this whole discussion has been too focused on Covid rather than the long term damage that lockdowns cause. This just shows that even when we focus on Covid that Sweden hasn't performed too badly all things considered.

The encouraging data from Israel and the US states that are ahead in their vaccination rollout mean that as soon as all over 70s are vaccinated there is zero excuse for any continuation with these damaging lockdown measures.
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Old 19.01.2021, 14:25
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Has anyone used that PCR test from Roche/Viselio that can be done at home? They say it is accepted in several countries and is reliable.
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I haven't heard of it, but to me it sounds quite implausible that a self-administered PCR test can be accepted anywhere (it has to be carried by professionals by inserting a long flexible stub into your nose down your throat and is quite uncomfortable, done it three times here for travel).
I also cannot see how this could work. What you need is generally not a test, but a certificate from a reputable lab.
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Old 19.01.2021, 14:37
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers are 2260 out of 21 k tests

129 hospitalisations
75 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week tuesday

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Todays published numbers are 2851 out of 22 k tests

147 hospitalisations
98 death
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Old 19.01.2021, 14:43
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I'm really starting to feel desperate about the vaccine ... do we have any outlook on when under 75's who are at risk might be vaccinated? I've signed us up here in Bern, but apparently even the over 75's in this canton aren't getting them unless they have a chronic disease.

My husband and I's depression is spiralling & we feel a bit hopeless...

My biggest fear is that by the time we are able to get vaccinated, they will give us the far less effective Astra Zeneca one. I know it hasn't been approved yet, but I don't foresee it not being approved.
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Old 19.01.2021, 15:14
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I'm really starting to feel desperate about the vaccine ... do we have any outlook on when under 75's who are at risk might be vaccinated? I've signed us up here in Bern, but apparently even the over 75's in this canton aren't getting them unless they have a chronic disease.

My husband and I's depression is spiralling & we feel a bit hopeless...

My biggest fear is that by the time we are able to get vaccinated, they will give us the far less effective Astra Zeneca one. I know it hasn't been approved yet, but I don't foresee it not being approved.
Its less effective at preventing an infection, not necessarily at preventing you from getting ill.

I would try and reduce your anxiety about this disease. At 40 I suspect that your mental health is at more of a risk than your physical health even with a chronic condition. I'm not saying don't take it seriously - but don't let it run your life.

We are 1% vaccinated more or less. I think 40 year olds will have to wait some time. If I were you I'd presume April or so, and if its earlier than that count that as a bit of a blessing.
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Old 19.01.2021, 15:17
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Its less effective at preventing an infection, not necessarily at preventing you from getting ill.

I would try and reduce your anxiety about this disease. At 40 I suspect that your mental health is at more of a risk than your physical health even with a chronic condition. I'm not saying don't take it seriously - but don't let it run your life.
Thank-you, I am not that anxious as I am taking all necessary precautions. My depression is due to all of the precautions we are taking ... i.e. drastically reduced social interactions, no travel, no ability to enjoy outside hobbies, gym being closed etc..
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If I only have choice of Astra Zeneca I will probably decide to wait for Moderna. Anyway, Moderna is ordered in the biggest amount among all three so it will probably eventually be available for everyone who wants it.
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BAG said we will not be able to choose though.
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"How many cantons have already administered vaccinations? Asks a journalist. According to Kronig, corona vaccinations have already been carried out in all cantons. One is still waiting for the exact numbers from the cantons, the number of 110,000 vaccinated is based on an estimate."

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I dont think it was a good idea to leave the organisation in the hand of the cantons.
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Thank-you, I am not that anxious as I am taking all necessary precautions. My depression is due to all of the precautions we are taking ... i.e. drastically reduced social interactions, no travel, no ability to enjoy outside hobbies, gym being closed etc..
Hopefully only a few months now - take care of yourself! Book lots of nice things to do for the summer. With a condition I think its highly likely you'll be vaccinated by then
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Yes have some concerts tickets on hand already ... one for in Dublin in late Summer - let's hope!
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Susie,, OH has several long-term conditions which put him seriously at risk and he will be 75 in 2 months time. But because he has made huge effort to lose weight and lower his BMI, and his results for his several conditions are just below threshold (great news) - he is on the list but not priority.

I feel aggrieved for him as his illnesses derive directly from him working massive hours for the NHS, looking after others since 1969.

Thank goodness for the countryside and walks, snowshowing, XC skiing, etc.

Jump in the car and get out there in the sunshine- and Vit D is a huge help with Covid.
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We don't have a car, now we really want one & never did before.

JackieH...I really hope your husband gets his vaccine soon! Very sorry to moan, as I know many are suffering so much.
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