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Susie,, OH has several long-term conditions which put him seriously at risk and he will be 75 in 2 months time. But because he has made huge effort to lose weight and lower his BMI, and his results for his several conditions are just below threshold (great news) - he is on the list but not priority.

I feel aggrieved for him as his illnesses derive directly from him working massive hours for the NHS, looking after others since 1969.

Thank goodness for the countryside and walks, snowshowing, XC skiing, etc.

Jump in the car and get out there in the sunshine- and Vit D is a huge help with Covid.
I hope he gets vaccinated soon Jackie - and sounds like he has made adjustments that will be good for his health after all this is over.
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We don't have a car, now we really want one & never did before.

JackieH...I really hope your husband gets his vaccine soon! Very sorry to moan, as I know many are suffering so much.
Dont be sorry, you have every right to release your frustration!
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Old 19.01.2021, 16:19
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Fresh news from The Eastern Eropean Front - 6666 Covid patients hospitalized in CZ. R is still high, so very strict measures stay. Somebody got fined for "breaking a curfew for walking her husband" not a dog, as those are allowed (to be walked).
I read that she at least had him on a lead!
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I feel aggrieved for him as his illnesses derive directly from him working massive hours for the NHS, looking after others since 1969.
Uk would be vaccinating him, it's Switzerland that is behind the curve with vaccinations.
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Old 19.01.2021, 16:33
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We don't have a car, now we really want one & never did before.
Go for the Nissan Qashqai. According to unconfirmed rumors, it even protects against Covid-19..
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Old 19.01.2021, 16:43
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Uk would be vaccinating him, it's Switzerland that is behind the curve with vaccinations.
Indeed. The UK is leading the way in terms of vaccine percentage at 6.1%. It's only Israel, UAE, Bahrain, Gibraltar and Samoa that are ahead. It would be unfair to compare directly to these countries though due to the disparities in population size and how these states are organised.

https://www.sortiraparis.com/news/co...ountry/lang/en

My only concern is how they are achieving this. You may have seen the video I posted a couple of weeks ago of the drive-in vaccination centre setup in Manchester. They definitely weren't following the guidelines. Even on death row they'll swab your arm with alcohol before administering the deadly injection!
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My only concern is how they are achieving this. You may have seen the video I posted a couple of weeks ago of the drive-in vaccination centre setup in Manchester. They definitely weren't following the guidelines. Even on death row they'll swab your arm with alcohol before administering the deadly injection!
... or they edited out the swab for a snappier clip perhaps,
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... or they edited out the swab for a snappier clip perhaps,
No.

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Old 19.01.2021, 17:25
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No.

From Covid 19 vaccination programme guidance for healthcare workers 11 Jan 2021. Is a pdf available. P 16. Bolding is mine.


Injection technique
COVID-19 vaccines should be administered by intramuscular (IM) injection, preferably
into the deltoid muscle of the upper arm.
Individuals who have minimal muscle mass in the deltoid area of the upper arm, or a
particular reason to avoid immunisation in the deltoid muscle, can be given their vaccine
in the vastus lateralis muscle in the thigh if necessary.
The area for injection should be clearly visible and accessible. Garments with long or
tight sleeves may need to be removed. The injection site does not need to be cleaned
unless visibly dirty. If cleaning is required, water should be used and the area dried with
a gauze swab. It is not necessary to disinfect the skin.

Insert the needle into the injection site far enough to ensure it will deliver the vaccine
into the muscle and depress the plunger. There is no need to pull back on the plunger
(aspirate) before the plunger is depressed to release the vaccine into the muscle
because there are no large blood vessels at the recommended injection sites.
Ensure the full dose is administered as a partial dose will not evoke a full immune
response. Remove the needle and if there is any visible blood at the injection site, the
patient can apply pressure to the site with a piece of gauze/cotton wool.
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Old 19.01.2021, 17:27
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Susie,, OH has several long-term conditions which put him seriously at risk and he will be 75 in 2 months time. But because he has made huge effort to lose weight and lower his BMI, and his results for his several conditions are just below threshold (great news) - he is on the list but not priority.

I feel aggrieved for him as his illnesses derive directly from him working massive hours for the NHS, looking after others since 1969.

Thank goodness for the countryside and walks, snowshowing, XC skiing, etc.

Jump in the car and get out there in the sunshine- and Vit D is a huge help with Covid.
They’re doubling the vaccination capacity at Mycorama starting next week and will be opening up two more vaccination centres in February (one in Neuchâtel opening on the 2nd and in LCF on the 24th) so hopefully he won’t have to wait too much longer.

It sucks massively for him but I guess they have to draw the line somewhere and he is unlucky to fall just outside the criteria at the moment.
There are probably many more people in the same position as him.
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From Covid 19 vaccination programme guidance for healthcare workers 11 Jan 2021. Is a pdf available. P 16. Bolding is mine.


Injection technique
COVID-19 vaccines should be administered by intramuscular (IM) injection, preferably
into the deltoid muscle of the upper arm.
Individuals who have minimal muscle mass in the deltoid area of the upper arm, or a
particular reason to avoid immunisation in the deltoid muscle, can be given their vaccine
in the vastus lateralis muscle in the thigh if necessary.
The area for injection should be clearly visible and accessible. Garments with long or
tight sleeves may need to be removed. The injection site does not need to be cleaned
unless visibly dirty. If cleaning is required, water should be used and the area dried with
a gauze swab. It is not necessary to disinfect the skin.

Insert the needle into the injection site far enough to ensure it will deliver the vaccine
into the muscle and depress the plunger. There is no need to pull back on the plunger
(aspirate) before the plunger is depressed to release the vaccine into the muscle
because there are no large blood vessels at the recommended injection sites.
Ensure the full dose is administered as a partial dose will not evoke a full immune
response. Remove the needle and if there is any visible blood at the injection site, the
patient can apply pressure to the site with a piece of gauze/cotton wool.
Your post has no relevance to my quote.

My previous comment regarding not following the guidelines relates to those receiving the vaccine not being closely monitored for 15 minutes immediately afterwards. This is an inference but almost certainly the case.
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Your post has no relevance to my quote.

My previous comment regarding not following the guidelines relates to those receiving the vaccine not being closely monitored for 15 minutes immediately afterwards. This is an inference but almost certainly the case.
You were concerned about the injection site not being swabbed, no? It's entirely relevant.

Everyone being injected was in the passenger seat. There is likely somewhere to pull up for the required 15 mins if need be.

What inference? I'm not sure i understand what you're getting at. They were following the guidelines as I read them.
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Old 19.01.2021, 17:44
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it sounds quite implausible that a self-administered PCR test can be accepted anywhere (it has to be carried by professionals by inserting a long flexible stub into your nose down your throat and is quite uncomfortable, done it three times here for travel).
it works pretty well in Sweden
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Old 19.01.2021, 17:51
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Indeed. The UK is leading the way in terms of vaccine percentage at 6.1%. It's only Israel, UAE, Bahrain, Gibraltar and Samoa that are ahead. It would be unfair to compare directly to these countries though due to the disparities in population size and how these states are organised.

https://www.sortiraparis.com/news/co...ountry/lang/en

My only concern is how they are achieving this. You may have seen the video I posted a couple of weeks ago of the drive-in vaccination centre setup in Manchester. They definitely weren't following the guidelines. Even on death row they'll swab your arm with alcohol before administering the deadly injection!
UK seems to be up around 1.5M a week now. Deaths should be imminently plummeting.

My brother (healthcare worker) has his on Wednesday and my grandmother on Friday. She could have had hers last week, but held on in order to avoid travelling into Birmingham city Centre and instead have it locally.

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If I only have choice of Astra Zeneca I will probably decide to wait for Moderna. Anyway, Moderna is ordered in the biggest amount among all three so it will probably eventually be available for everyone who wants it.
in the brave new shiny world you will be probably limited in your rights w/o vaccination passport (out dog already have it and can travel freely )
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You were concerned about the injection site not being swabbed, no?
Not at all. I mentioned that my concern was how the UK has managed to vaccinate so many people so quickly. It is likely that the drive-in setups such as the one in the video is one of the reasons that the UK has managed to achieve this. Perhaps some people think it's ok but it's not the kind of setup many would envisage when it comes to getting vaccinated. I'm near certain that those in Switzerland that have had the jab did so under different circumstances, i.e. not through a car window, with an ostensible cursory interview and likely no monitoring afterwards. Castro described the UK approach as 'fast and loose'. I think he was spot on.
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BAG said we will not be able to choose though.
so its quite possible you will be injected with SputnikV fluid
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What inference?
The inference is that those receiving the vaccines were not closely monitored for 15 mins afterwards. It cannot be concluded with absolute certainty from the video that that wasn't the case.
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UK seems to be up around 1.5M a week now. Deaths should be imminently plummeting.

My brother (healthcare worker) has his on Wednesday and my grandmother on Friday.
If that rate is maintained then by summer the majority will be vaccinated and the outlook should be very different.
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Not at all. I mentioned that my concern was how the UK has managed to vaccinate so many people so quickly. It is likely that the drive-in setups such as the one in the video is one of the reasons that the UK has managed to achieve this. Perhaps some people think it's ok but it's not the kind of setup many would envisage when it comes to getting vaccinated. I'm near certain that those in Switzerland that have had the jab did so under different circumstances, i.e. not through a car window, with an ostensible cursory interview and likely no monitoring afterwards. Castro described the UK approach as 'fast and loose'. I think he was spot on.
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The inference is that those receiving the vaccines were not closely monitored for 15 mins afterwards. It cannot be concluded with absolute certainty from the video that that wasn't the case.

No no a traditional set up but it does appear to be efficient. It cannot be concluded that people were not closely monitored either.

I think fast and loose is inaccurate, personally. From what i understand of it, and from what family and friends tell me who have been vaccinated, it's working pretty well. I think you may just be determined to be annoyed by this way of doing things. Btw it is only one way - still done the more traditional walk in way too.
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