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What's wrong with those measures? I think it's ludicrous that Swiss governments have been pretending that children couldn't possibly carry and spread the virus up until now. Too little, too late, as usual.
Do you see effect in other countries where kids wear them from 6 years since spring? OK, now they are going to pretend that masks for kids work. On my opinion they only give more inconvenience for kids than effect on the virus spreading.

I think the only effect from this measure is that the authorities will have an official ground to send less people to quarantine when one of the kids gets British mutation of the virus. Not 900 like in Kilchberg now but only one class and few teachers. The effect on the virus itself will be zero.
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Old 21.01.2021, 12:00
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Re: Coronavirus

My sister is a hospital worker and a university lecturer in pharmacy.

She's told me that those who previously had Covid are displaying (mild) flu like symptoms after being vaccinated, whereas those who hadn't previously had Covid do not seem to be commonly getting side effects.

Thought people who are due to be vaccinated might be interested - a bit like a poor man's antibody test.
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers are 2205 out of 28 k tests

93 hospitalisations
47 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

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Today’s numbers

2474 new cases, 106 hospitalisations and 53 deaths.
24465 tests.
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Todays published numbers are 2727 out of 32 k tests

137 hospitalisations
70 death
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Old 21.01.2021, 13:39
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Do you see effect in other countries where kids wear them from 6 years since spring? OK, now they are going to pretend that masks for kids work. On my opinion they only give more inconvenience for kids than effect on the virus spreading.

I think the only effect from this measure is that the authorities will have an official ground to send less people to quarantine when one of the kids gets British mutation of the virus. Not 900 like in Kilchberg now but only one class and few teachers. The effect on the virus itself will be zero.
I said too little, too late. Closing the schools and enforcing a strict lockdown for something like four weeks (including the school holidays in the lockdown would mitigate the school closure) would be much more effective than all these half-arsed measures.

Please provide evidence that children wearing masks has no effect on the spread of the virus. And please share your credentials to give your opinion some weight.
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Old 21.01.2021, 14:25
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Please provide evidence that children wearing masks has no effect on the spread of the virus. And please share your credentials to give your opinion some weight.
That's my personal opinion based on the development of numbers in different countries. Luckily Switzerland didn't have any major superspreading events in schools so far. Might be different with new mutations, but if it is that different the masks won't help anyway. 20+ kids staying in the classroom (my daughter's classroom has ridiculously low ceiling, so the volume of the air inside is really small) even with airing during breaks creates good condition for spreading, masks or no masks. Some kids will probably wear same masks for a few days in a row, noone will wash hand after taking them off and eats their Znuni with these hands, still communicate without masks after school, visit each other at home etc. I know that they are still sharing food even though it's prohibited. Kids are kids, you know.

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Please provide evidence for your words "too late". Has anything critical happen in primary schools during the epidemic that influenced the situation in Switzerland significantly?
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Old 21.01.2021, 15:23
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Please provide evidence for your words "too late". Has anything critical happen in primary schools during the epidemic that influenced the situation in Switzerland significantly?
https://www.thelocal.ch/20210110/swi...d-spread-study
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Old 21.01.2021, 15:26
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I said too little, too late. Closing the schools and enforcing a strict lockdown for something like four weeks (including the school holidays in the lockdown would mitigate the school closure) would be much more effective than all these half-arsed measures.

Please provide evidence that children wearing masks has no effect on the spread of the virus. And please share your credentials to give your opinion some weight.
The data I saw from a Harvard Epidemiologist showed that for extended exposure in a poorly ventilated room masks help a little - but not a lot.

I'll see if I can find it (I saw it on a zoom call)

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Old 21.01.2021, 16:14
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Re: Coronavirus

As usual, money always talks in Switzerland ... this really pisses me off:

https://www.20min.ch/story/milliarda...z-568476328873

I've been a patient of Hirslanden, I won't be anymore.
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Old 21.01.2021, 16:19
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As usual, money always talks in Switzerland ... this really pisses me off:

https://www.20min.ch/story/milliarda...z-568476328873

I've been a patient of Hirslanden, I won't be anymore.
Irrespective of whether he has a serious condition (he is 70 and appears to be a seriously overweight smoker so that's far from unlikely) he doesn't appear to be a Swiss resident.

I hope the book gets thrown at the group.

At least he is someone who would be at a very significant risk.

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Old 21.01.2021, 17:12
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At least he is someone who would be at a very significant risk.
There are many of those "significant risks" here in Switzerland who are not vaccinated and are waiting...plus, only 75+ is considered in this category.

I'm sure he isn't the only ultra rich person from abroad who has gotten this treatment here.
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Old 21.01.2021, 17:17
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There are many of those "significant risks" here in Switzerland who are not vaccinated and are waiting...plus, only 75+ is considered in this category.

I'm sure he isn't the only ultra rich person from abroad who has gotten this treatment here.
We've had people on here who aren't 75 who report having had it.

The question is probably whether he has a Swiss residence permit or not.
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Old 21.01.2021, 17:25
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Re: Coronavirus

The only people so far who have been vaccinated so fare, under 75- are those picked by their GP as being particularly high risk.

OH is just a few weeks off his 75th BD and at high risk on several counts- but his risk conditions are just stable enough, just below threshold- and he has made huge efforts recently to lower his BMI- so he is being 'punished' for it. Had he stayed at last year's BMI, he would have been vaccinated. Hey, it is what it is.

but for someone 5 years below the age limit, to walse in and get the vaccine from private clinic is truly wrong and disgusting. Anyone with contact to Hirschlanden, and others - should write and tell them how they feel.
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Old 21.01.2021, 17:25
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We've had people on here who aren't 75 who report having had it.

The question is probably whether he has a Swiss residence permit or not.
I’m not even close to 75 and I’ve had it.
Where I live they prioritised extremely high risk, followed by healthcare workers and old people’s homes, followed by over 75’s.
I didn’t jump the queue at all, the first group were people put forward by their GPs or specialists at the request of the cantonal health department, there was no way of fudging it.

Coming here from overseas and jumping the queue is morally reprehensible in my opinion. I’m disgusted by it.
There are plenty of very high risk legitimate Swiss residents who should have been vaccinated before him.
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Old 21.01.2021, 17:30
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Hirslanden financé par un magnat du tabac
Le milliardaire sud-africain Johann Rupert contrôle le plus grand groupe de cliniques privées en Suisse. Hic: il est aussi derrière British American Tobacco.


so it seems the guy is a tobacco magnet and owns the Hirschlanden group !?! Really dodgy.


''Er wäre froh, wenn Rupert – mit dem er im Übrigen noch nie gesprochen habe – nicht nur zum Impfen in den Thurgau käme, sondern auch noch hier Wohnsitz nähme, sagt Martin, der auch Finanzdirektor des Kantons ist. '' - so he is NOT resident and just flew in to get vaccinated. GRRR.

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In the same way that the virus for a long time was no longer contagious past midnight...
after midnight virus becomes a pumpkin
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Re: Coronavirus

Today I was at my GP and curious about vaccination
She said that high blood pressure is not a risk group (unlike said on BAG site) and I'm too young to do it now
Also she said that probably in midsummer everyone in CH will have a chance to win...sorry, to get a vaccination
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Old 21.01.2021, 18:18
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Re: Coronavirus

It seems Switzerland and CZ (Musicchick) are on Mrs Merkel's naughty stair!

"German Chancellor Angela Merkel is confident that the EU countries will pull together to fight the pandemic. As far as Germany's neighbouring countries are concerned, she has "not so many concerns", the Chancellor said at a press conference. In the Netherlands, Belgium, France and Luxembourg, the approach is comparable, Switzerland needs to be talked to, and she is already in talks with the Czech Republic. Nor is it a question of blanket border controls. But if a country with twice the incidence of Germany were to open all its shops, "then we would have a problem".
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Today I was at my GP and curious about vaccination
She said that high blood pressure is not a risk group (unlike said on BAG site) and I'm too young to do it now
Also she said that probably in midsummer everyone in CH will have a chance to win...sorry, to get a vaccination
High blood pressure is only considered a risk, even by BAG, if it is not well controlled by medication and is routinely above 160.

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Re: Coronavirus

Getting emails/WhatsApp from people telling me to show support to some Swiss website that is drumming up backing to end the lockdown!

After losing money to lockdown I finally have something going that is bringing me good money, the longer the lockdown goes the more money I will make I hope the lockdown continues, we got to protect the old people
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