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Re: Sniffing out a " non-swiss"?

I do think some people, perhaps many people, have a remarkable instinct to recognise some attribute that identifies a person as being potentially "like me". I've often heard of people noticing this when travelling. One can be in a busy suburban train or in a large open space, thousands of miles from home and turn around, look over, and just sense that those people over there, even out of earshot, are probably from "my" country (or more accurately from one of my countries). I find it odd that there is so much genetic pooling, so much globalisation (of trends and fashions, of choices of clothing) and yet, as one leaves the bus to enter a busy airport, somewhere there'll be someone, long before we've met up again at the gate, whom we recognise (even if there is no definite resemblance in our respective appearances) as very likely going "home" to the same place.

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Well some Swiss have started off in English even though I had not said a word.
Yes, I have heard other English-speakers say this, too. I suppose it works in the inverse way in recognising "not like me".
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Me neither, that why I make them. Skirts, dresses..I avoid jeans. I think it has been drilled into us at uni.
Are jeans no longer a student staple then?
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If I buy a Hawaii shirt in Frobisher bay . does that make me Hawaiian ?
It makes you under-dressed.

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Re: Sniffing out a " non-swiss"?

Nah...people dress quite similarly nowadays. I’d say if you look and act confidently, the Swiss won’t know if you’re a “hiersige” until you speak.
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Old 29.01.2020, 22:19
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I do think some people, perhaps many people, have a remarkable instinct to recognise some attribute that identifies a person as being potentially "like me". I've often heard of people noticing this when travelling. One can be in a busy suburban train or in a large open space, thousands of miles from home and turn around, look over, and just sense that those people over there, even out of earshot, are probably from "my" country (or more accurately from one of my countries). I find it odd that there is so much genetic pooling, so much globalisation (of trends and fashions, of choices of clothing) and yet, as one leaves the bus to enter a busy airport, somewhere there'll be someone, long before we've met up again at the gate, whom we recognise (even if there is no definite resemblance in our respective appearances) as very likely going "home" to the same place.
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It happens to be right when guessing but many times to be wrong too. Plus if you come from a place where people are not all looking similarly it's better not to assume and become over.....friendly. lol

It happened to me to be asked if I'm from totally different places (IMO) so I guess other people can be equally bad at guessing.
What I need more than the physical appearance is hearing the way they speak. English, French, German etc. I can recognise quite a few nationalities when speaking a different language than their own.
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Re: Sniffing out a " non-swiss"?

I don't know why, as I am typically dressed in yoga pants, trainers/running sneaks and a down jacket (in winter) but nearly everyone here talks to me in Swiss German. Either asking for directions, or asking if they can pet my dog - you name it. Not exactly "smart" attire on my part, but my excuse is that I am walking my dog...lol
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Old 29.01.2020, 22:35
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Re: Sniffing out a " non-swiss"?

37.5% of the Swiss population (and that is not counting the people younger than 15 years old) are foreigners or naturalized citizens.

That makes every 2.666666666666667th (my calculater is limited ) person you meet here a non Swiss born person, as you call them. Not to mention high tourist season. LOL.

See, omtatsat, it is not difficult to guess you're not a Swiss born Swiss, in fact it's easier than winning the lotto. A looooot easier.

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Re: Sniffing out a " non-swiss"?

I thought Omtatsat's point was not so much that people identify him as not a "Swiss-born Swiss", but that people start to speak to him in English, specifically. In his case, they've got the language right, too.

Several years ago I was visiting an English-speaking country, and needed to walk through a shopping centre. A couple approached me and both said: "Guten Tag," and one asked: "Entschuldigen Sie, wissen Sie vielleicht wo hier in der Nähe eine Apotheke ist?". As I just happened to recall passing a pharmacy, I was able to explain to them which way to go. They thanked me and left, but then, after about 5 paces, turned back and asked: "Wait a minute... did we just have that whole conversation in German?" Which we had, also my reply to them.

We were all amazed, and chatted, then, about how that could possibly have occurred.

They, Germans, had been travelling for months, speaking German to each other but English to everyone else. I hadn't spoken German, either, for several weeks, by then. I said I could not recall having heard their voices before they approached me from the side, and they confirmed that they hadn't been talking at all, anyway, after having had had something of a squabble some minutes before they entered the shopping centre. Their squabble gave way to a good mood and our shared socioanthopological bewilderment at the phenomenon of their having correctly attributed to me the ability to speak German. Indeed, after they had looked me up and down for several minutes, they both said that I do not look "typically German" and that had they met me in Germany, they would have thought that I was foreign. Finally, they said that perhaps it was my strong leather shoes that had given them some sort of subliminal hint at my German-language ability. It was all rather odd, but fascinating.

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Old 29.01.2020, 22:42
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Somehow I think the born here Swiss ( more the second and onwards generation ) somehow percieve that one is not a " born Swiss " simply on a non- verbal perception level even before one opens one mouth. I'm referring more to white Caucasian "non Swiss." I think its that they hold themselves ( posture,facial expressions etc) differently. ( culture oriented ) And I don't think we smell differently
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I thought Omtatsat's point was not so much that people identify him as not a "Swiss-born Swiss", but that people start to speak to him in English, specifically. In his case, they've got the language right, too.
What would be the first language you chose here if you suspected someone to be foreign? Russian? Chinese?
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Old 29.01.2020, 22:43
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I'm actually wondering if there is such a thing. Homemade, maybe?
Navyboot, Dilly Socks and very limited edition Freitag bag. That's Zurich style in a nutshell to me.
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I thought Omtatsat's point was not so much that people identify him as not a "Swiss-born Swiss", but that people start to speak to him in English, specifically. In his case, they've got the language right, too.
He's probably one of those easy to be identified even before they speak...
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What would be the first language you chose here if you suspected someone to be foreign? Russian? Chinese?
German.
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Navyboot, Dilly Socks and very limited edition Freitag bag. That's Zurich style in a nutshell to me.
Yeah. And Bally. I thought they were gone but apparently they still sell via website. Surprised me today.
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Yeah. And Bally. I thought they were gone but apparently they still sell via website. Surprised me today.
No, they still have a shop on Bahnhoffstrasse, on the opposite corner to Trois Pommes, near Kantonalbank tram stop. I only know this from going to Lidl round the corner

What surprises me is finding out they're a Swiss brand. I never realised that until your post because they've got a store in Manchester city centre. Well, you learn something new every day!
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And I learnt, from your post, Blueangel, what "Dilly socks" are.
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What would be the first language you chose here if you suspected someone to be foreign? Russian? Chinese?
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LOL, I see you are fully integrated in Zurich, you know where they flood in from
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I don't know why, as I am typically dressed in yoga pants, trainers/running sneaks and a down jacket (in winter) but nearly everyone here talks to me in Swiss German. Either asking for directions, or asking if they can pet my dog - you name it. Not exactly "smart" attire on my part, but my excuse is that I am walking my dog...lol
Joggers are normally Swiss. This particular activity is a Swiss neurosis!
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Joggers are normally Swiss. This particular activity is a Swiss neurosis!
So...omtatsat. I don't get whether you're upset because people start talking to you in English or not or.....what's the point of this thread?


Maybe you should start wearing jogging pants.
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Re: Sniffing out a " non-swiss"?

As doropfiz story, people make their best guest at your language abilities or nationality.

Around Aarau, I try my best grüezi when arriving to a shop or bar, people notice my foreign accent and.......switch to Italian, totally unknown to me.
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So...omtatsat. I don't get whether you're upset because people start talking to you in English or not or.....what's the point of this thread?


Maybe you should start wearing jogging pants.
Did I say I was upset? It was an observation. And the post has to do with non- verbal communication
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