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Bees and other similar insects can easily overheat (Japanese bees will kill a predator hornet by smothering it so it overheats as Japanese bees can cope with a temperature 2 degrees higher than that of the hornet).
Well, that's opened up a whole new hornet's nest.
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That's got to be wrong. Do you have any source for that?
Is plenty of sources from where you can research these facts...but 5G will increase power consumption indirectly just by surfing the internet..see:
Google Details, and Defends, Its Use of Electricity - The New ...www.nytimes.com › 2011/09/09 › technology › google-d...
8 Sep 2011 - Every time a person runs a Google search, watches a YouTube video or sends a message through Gmail, the company's data centers full of computers use electricity. Those data centers around the world continuously draw almost 260 million watts — about a quarter of the output of a nuclear power plant...that is just one search on internet...there is more...by 2050 80% of planet power will be sucked by servers that is serving our virtual world and that on expences of our fossils...increasing consuptions of even thinner options...
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Is plenty of sources from where you can research these facts...but 5G will increase power consumption indirectly just by surfing the internet..see:
Google Details, and Defends, Its Use of Electricity - The New ...www.nytimes.com › 2011/09/09 › technology › google-d...
8 Sep 2011 - Every time a person runs a Google search, watches a YouTube video or sends a message through Gmail, the company's data centers full of computers use electricity. Those data centers around the world continuously draw almost 260 million watts — about a quarter of the output of a nuclear power plant...that is just one search on internet...there is more...by 2050 80% of planet power will be sucked by servers that is serving our virtual world and that on expences of our fossils...increasing consuptions of even thinner options...
and that is sources form 2011...now is even worse...
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recent data shows that servers around the world already consume 40% of electricity globally...
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Those data centers around the world continuously draw almost 260 million watts — about a quarter of the output of a nuclear power plant...
260MW is laughably low for global data center consumption, Google in total is 500-800 MW of power consumption on their own. They do 2 trillion searches per year, meaning if we allocate all of the Google consumption to searches (wrongly, the do so much more than that), then we're talking about 0.28 Wh per search.
That is the equivalent energy of 240 calories.

Data center consumption is approx 1% of global power, and while usage is increasing, power efficiency is always coming in as well, balancing out a lot of the rise in demand.
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260MW is laughably low for global data center consumption, Google in total is 500-800 MW of power consumption on their own. They do 2 trillion searches per year, meaning if we allocate all of the Google consumption to searches (wrongly, the do so much more than that), then we're talking about 0.28 Wh per search.
That is the equivalent energy of 240 calories.

Data center consumption is approx 1% of global power, and while usage is increasing, power efficiency is always coming in as well, balancing out a lot of the rise in demand.
By John Vidal

The communications industry could use 20% of all the world’s electricity by 2025, hampering global attempts to meet climate change targets and straining grids as demand by power-hungry server farms storing digital data from billions of smartphones, tablets and internet-connected devices grows exponentially.

The industry has long argued that it can considerably reduce carbon emissions by increasing efficiency and reducing waste, but academics are challenging industry assumptions. A new paper, due to be published by US researchers later this month, will forecast that information and communications technology, or ICT, could create up to 3.5% of global emissions by 2020 – surpassing aviation and shipping – and up to 14% 2040 – around the same proportion as the US today.

Global computing power demand from internet-connected devices, high resolution video streaming, emails, surveillance cameras and a new generation of smart TVs is increasing 20% a year, consuming roughly 3-5% of the world’s electricity in 2015, says Swedish researcher Anders Andrae.

In an update to a 2016 peer-reviewed study, Andrae found that without dramatic increases in efficiency, the ICT industry could use 20% of all electricity and emit up to 5.5% of the world’s carbon emissions by 2025. This would be more than any country except the US, China and India.

He expects industry power demand to increase from 2-300Twh of electricity a year now, to 1,200 or even 3,000Twh by 2025. Data centres on their own could produce 1.9Gt (or 3.2% of the global total) carbon emissions, he says.

“The situation is alarming,” said Andrae, who works for Chinese communications technology firm Huawei. “We have a tsunami of data approaching. Everything which can be is being digitalised. It is a perfect storm. 5G, [the fifth generation of mobile technology] is coming, IP [internet protocol] traffic is much higher than estimated and all cars and machines, robots and artificial intelligence are being digitalised, producing huge amounts of data which is stored in data centres.”
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