Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 09.02.2020, 18:34
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 7,028
Groaned at 349 Times in 233 Posts
Thanked 16,619 Times in 5,087 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
Olygirl, I think you misunderstood me. I was not attacking you in any way, but trying to understand what you had meant.

For me, your post was written ambiguously, or at least, I didn't get what you meant. That's why I asked for clarification, which you have now given. Thank you.
I know you werenít and Iím grateful for your post on clarity. My post was a reaction to some reps I got.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank olygirl for this useful post:
  #42  
Old 09.02.2020, 18:44
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Bern
Posts: 288
Groaned at 199 Times in 106 Posts
Thanked 995 Times in 467 Posts
Full Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
Not special rights, equal rights.
Really? Is there a right/law which criminalises someone denigrating a straight person or discriminating against a traditional family?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Full Circle for this useful post:
This user groans at Full Circle for this post:
  #43  
Old 09.02.2020, 18:48
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Geneva
Posts: 4,019
Groaned at 37 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 5,612 Times in 2,012 Posts
McTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond reputeMcTAVGE has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
Really? Is there a right/law which criminalises someone denigrating a straight person or discriminating against a traditional family?


That's the point: usually, people do not denigrate or discriminate against straight people.
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank McTAVGE for this useful post:
  #44  
Old 09.02.2020, 18:50
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 31,558
Groaned at 2,347 Times in 1,708 Posts
Thanked 38,350 Times in 18,099 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

My daughter and I spent a good while trying to understand what real difference this law would make, but didn't see any, so in the end I suggested that we just vote YES.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #45  
Old 09.02.2020, 18:50
Belgianmum's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Neuch‚tel
Posts: 13,025
Groaned at 221 Times in 188 Posts
Thanked 21,495 Times in 8,810 Posts
Belgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond reputeBelgianmum has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
76.31% for Canton Geneva and 78.5% for our little village, which shows that rural community does not always equate to small-mindedness!!
Same here. 73.8% for the canton and 81.3% for our small commune out in the sticks.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Belgianmum for this useful post:
  #46  
Old 09.02.2020, 18:51
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 7,028
Groaned at 349 Times in 233 Posts
Thanked 16,619 Times in 5,087 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
May be they do in Kanton Schwyz?
(one of the three Kantons that voted No).
Oh, that’s embarrassing. Knowing the Innerschweizer like I do, they’ll say that they didn’t want any more muzzles put on their free speech. I’m glad other cantons were more forward thinking.

Last edited by olygirl; 09.02.2020 at 19:05.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank olygirl for this useful post:
  #47  
Old 09.02.2020, 18:53
roegner's Avatar
Moderately Dutch
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 11,044
Groaned at 363 Times in 304 Posts
Thanked 13,862 Times in 6,473 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
Really? Is there a right/law which criminalises someone denigrating a straight person or discriminating against a traditional family?
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...180000/101.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 09.02.2020, 19:05
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Bern
Posts: 288
Groaned at 199 Times in 106 Posts
Thanked 995 Times in 467 Posts
Full Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
That's the point: usually, people do not denigrate or discriminate against straight people.
Sounds like it's a special right rather than an equal right.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users groan at Full Circle for this post:
  #49  
Old 09.02.2020, 19:19
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,233
Groaned at 215 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 19,310 Times in 7,855 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
That's the point: usually, people do not denigrate or discriminate against straight people.
Happened to me and a colleague at a restaurant near Schluchsee. But only because they thought we were gay. Just really bad service to the extent that even I noticed we were being treated differently from other guests.

What exactly changes now? What could people do yesterday that they couldn't do now? How would it have affected what happened to McTavge's daughter?
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post:
This user groans at NotAllThere for this post:
  #50  
Old 09.02.2020, 20:12
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 15,769
Groaned at 522 Times in 414 Posts
Thanked 23,265 Times in 9,399 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
Happened to me and a colleague at a restaurant near Schluchsee. But only because they thought we were gay. Just really bad service to the extent that even I noticed we were being treated differently from other guests.
Not sure if you are being ironic or just plain stupid.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
This user groans at Tom1234 for this post:
  #51  
Old 09.02.2020, 20:31
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
Really? Is there a right/law which criminalises someone denigrating a straight person or discriminating against a traditional family?
Quote:
View Post
Sounds like it's a special right rather than an equal right.

Already answered far more politely than I could muster. But yes. Probably all of them.

I have therefore concluded that you are one of the following:

A) A very bored troll
B) A fool (but not the ones with the ear of the king allowed to cut through the court BS with impunity)
C) A fool troll.


Are you there, Cath?
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #52  
Old 09.02.2020, 20:41
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
That's the point: usually, people do not denigrate or discriminate against straight people.
Next stop .... handicapped people! There's a anti- discrimination law since 2004 but .... let me put it like that..... it is biting like a dog without teeth.

Such a law as we just voted for the Rainbowfamily, wouldn't go amiss to protect handicapped people too
Reply With Quote
The following 9 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #53  
Old 09.02.2020, 20:48
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Bern
Posts: 288
Groaned at 199 Times in 106 Posts
Thanked 995 Times in 467 Posts
Full Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
Already answered far more politely than I could muster. But yes. Probably all of them.
Cna you name one or not?
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 09.02.2020, 21:06
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,233
Groaned at 215 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 19,310 Times in 7,855 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
Not sure if you are being ironic or just plain stupid.
This place is becoming worse than mumsnet. You can't ask a straightforward question without someone diving in to be abusive. Sorry, did I trigger you? Are you ok, hun?

Since I genuinely want to know, I guess you'd think I was just being plain stupid.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post:
This user groans at NotAllThere for this post:
  #55  
Old 09.02.2020, 21:17
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 7,028
Groaned at 349 Times in 233 Posts
Thanked 16,619 Times in 5,087 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
This place is becoming worse than mumsnet. You can't ask a straightforward question without someone diving in to be abusive. Sorry, did I trigger you? Are you ok, hun?

Since I genuinely want to know, I guess you'd think I was just being plain stupid.
I get what you’re asking. Beforehand you could accuse the perpetrator of libel but now the person can be fined for homophobic remarks. I hope the outcome of this vote is that people will think twice before being homophobic towards someone.

It’s sad we need a law for this since we should beyond gay intolerance but some people have to learn the hard way.

Will it really make a difference In the future? I think we’ll need the gay community to give us feedback on that question.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank olygirl for this useful post:
  #56  
Old 09.02.2020, 21:21
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 7,028
Groaned at 349 Times in 233 Posts
Thanked 16,619 Times in 5,087 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

I donít see how he was belittling it.

Edit: in response to Tomís post.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 09.02.2020, 21:24
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Bern
Posts: 288
Groaned at 199 Times in 106 Posts
Thanked 995 Times in 467 Posts
Full Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond reputeFull Circle has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
This place is becoming worse than mumsnet. You can't ask a straightforward question without someone diving in to be abusive. Sorry, did I trigger you? Are you ok, hun?
That might be a hate crime now!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Full Circle for this useful post:
This user groans at Full Circle for this post:
  #58  
Old 09.02.2020, 21:30
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 15,769
Groaned at 522 Times in 414 Posts
Thanked 23,265 Times in 9,399 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
This place is becoming worse than mumsnet. You can't ask a straightforward question without someone diving in to be abusive. Sorry, did I trigger you? Are you ok, hun?

Since I genuinely want to know, I guess you'd think I was just being plain stupid.
Apologies. I speed read your post and thought you were trying to be clever about straight-people being-mistreated too (which is what you were replying to) but you did in fact mention that you assumed it was because waiting staff thought you were a gay couple.

So apologies.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #59  
Old 09.02.2020, 21:34
Caleb's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: ZŁrich
Posts: 1,099
Groaned at 14 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 1,950 Times in 764 Posts
Caleb has a reputation beyond reputeCaleb has a reputation beyond reputeCaleb has a reputation beyond reputeCaleb has a reputation beyond reputeCaleb has a reputation beyond reputeCaleb has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
Really? Is there a right/law which criminalises someone denigrating a straight person or discriminating against a traditional family?
I'm not sure if you're asking seriously or you're being facetious. The truth is that majorities don't get discriminated against. It's the minorities that suffer opression and discrimination. The law, I guess, attempts to protect them.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Caleb for this useful post:
  #60  
Old 09.02.2020, 21:45
MusicChick's Avatar
modified, reprogrammed and doctored≤
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,216
Groaned at 388 Times in 268 Posts
Thanked 19,879 Times in 10,359 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Quote:
View Post
I'm not sure if you're asking seriously or you're being facetious. The truth is that majorities don't get discriminated against.
There is a flaw in this reasoning, though, imho. The law protecting all people assumes they can all equally potentially be discriminated against. I think intolerant remarks are frequently made against all, they shouldn't be. Period. It is inclusive and respect promoting. Ie - there is nothing abnormal about some groups, they all are protected by the same law treating respect and tolerance.

I feel that norms and veering off the norm change so fast, the law reflects it so late and selectively, only. I may be wrong but I wonder if it creates hierarchy instead of inclusion..
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Looking for a Praktikum for my daughter for FMS pink pompom Education 0 10.01.2014 08:19
My daughter (18) RIP FrankZappa Family matters/health 298 08.08.2013 21:29
We don't like our daughter's kindergarten. What to do?? mayte Family matters/health 7 03.10.2010 19:04
daughter in the US, me here. glennsche Family matters/health 6 04.03.2010 16:27
My teenage daughter Mawds Introductions 6 21.07.2009 11:36


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:40.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0