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It's how it is perceived. Bigoted folk will tend to assume the original gender, i.e. a M2F is still going to be thought of as a man and therefore her "straight" relationship with a man is perceived as gay, but conversely if she had a relationship with another woman that would then be regarded as gay as well. There's no consistent logic.

You're right, though, there is no specific protection for trans people. A much more difficult area and I can see why they dropped it.
No. Just no.


Agreed, is difficult but that is a piss poor reason to leave something be.
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Changes in the law often precede changes in public acceptance. They have an effect, simply by codifying what is considered unacceptable behaviour.
The link between legislation and public acceptance is an interesting one to analyse.

Texas doesn't have any sort of hate-speech laws, and LGBT discrimination remains legal when it comes to housing and employment, yet you get to see more gay couples holding hands in Austin over the course of one week than you do after living for 7 years in Geneva. It's simply astounding.

So despite all the protective legislation, including marriage equality, european homosexuals are very reluctant to say the least, to engage even in the most basic public display of affection, which is holding hands.

Thus I think it's safe to say, public perception of homosexuality isn't necessarily intertwined with legislative acts.

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I think intolerant remarks are frequently made against all.
Against ALL? Really?

https://www.24heures.ch/suisse/encor...story/10948583

https://www.tdg.ch/geneve/actu-genev...story/16963302

Over the span of just one week, 2 very violent incidents targeting LGBT individuals or those perceived-to-be.

Yes, hooligans sometimes attack random people on the streets, but this is a very different context when we are talking about regular citizens TARGETING only a specific group because they feel threatened by them.

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they all are protected by the same law treating respect and tolerance.
Have you ever bothered to count how many times per day you can hear the word f*ggot uttered in public spaces? Shamelessly and without reservation.

Never heard racist slurs being spurred so openly as homophobic ones.

So enlighten us, since you seem to be a specialist on social behavior, why do homophobes and bigots feel empowered enough, and safe enough, to express their hatred without any kind of reserve or deference?
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So enlighten us, since you seem to be a specialist on social behavior, why do homophobes and bigots feel empowered enough, and safe enough, to express their hatred without any kind of reserve or deference?
Probably because male homosexuality has become somewhat synonymous with effeminacy, a trait which is traditionally looked down upon by other men (and some women).

Acceptance of homosexuality is also a relatively new thing.
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Probably because male homosexuality has become somewhat synonymous with effeminacy, a trait which is traditionally looked down upon by other men (and some women).
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Is this how you perceive male homosexuality?
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Is this how you perceive male homosexuality?
As a stereotype, yeah, but obviously not all of them.
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Have you ever bothered to count how many times per day you can hear the word f*ggot uttered in public spaces?
0, unless you are talking about the meatball type.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)

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Have you ever bothered to count how many times per day you can hear the word f*ggot uttered in public spaces? Shamelessly and without reservation.

Never heard racist slurs being spurred so openly as homophobic ones.
It's illegal to attack anyone and those who attack due to sexuality choices are criminals....

I've never heard any Swiss in my area use the term fa*%ot. They might use other terms but I truly doubt they say that.
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I’ve never heard fag**t used here either.
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Probably because male homosexuality has become somewhat synonymous with effeminacy, a trait which is traditionally looked down upon by other men (and some women).

Acceptance of homosexuality is also a relatively new thing.
Oh boy. It's officially 1927.

Homosexual does not equal effeminate. Straight does not equal what, "butch"? Anecdote alert: the (self proclaimed) camp-est, most effeminate men I have ever encountered were both very straight.
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0, unless you are talking about the meatball type.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)

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It used to used in England as a name for a bundle of sticks (coming from the Italian fagotto meaning bundle).

It was also an abusive term for women in England.

My son learnt the word at school last week (in the culinary sense) but I'm not sure what the context was.
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My son learnt the word at school last week (in the culinary sense) but I'm not sure what the context was.
The word faggot in England refers to minced pork offal mixed with herbs, one of my favourites since childhood.
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The word faggot in England refers to minced pork offal mixed with herbs, one of my favourites since childhood.
I know. What I meant by context though was why it was mentioned in school (six grade) and in what context.
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It's illegal to attack anyone and those who attack due to sexuality choices are criminals....

I've never heard any Swiss in my area use the term fa*%ot. They might use other terms but I truly doubt they say that.
I have heard other terms, they are as frequent as calling somebody "blonde", "having a blonde moment" and other patronizing and condescending bs. I think it shows idiocy. Law treating idiocy are tough to implement, not because it may be hard to define idiocy, imho, but because people might need diff time to learn. Probably a scale of sorts.

If having no special legislature works in Texas, why shouldn't it work in CH, is my question.

My gay buddies are thrilled here. Homosexuality is treated as a private matter, not as a political matter. But most of my buddies are discreet, private people.
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It used to used in England as a name for a bundle of sticks (coming from the Italian fagotto meaning bundle).

It was also an abusive term for women in England.

My son learnt the word at school last week (in the culinary sense) but I'm not sure what the context was.
My son learnt it at school in cooking class as the term used for a bundle of green haricot beans wrapped with bacon. He had not heard it in any other context prior to that.

There are plenty of derogatory terms used for homosexual people in Romandie but fa**ot isn’t one of them. I’ve not heard people openly using these terms in public but that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

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Homosexual does not equal effeminate. Straight does not equal what, "butch"? Anecdote alert: the (self proclaimed) camp-est, most effeminate men I have ever encountered were both very straight.
The ‘campest’ man we know is definitely not gay.
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The word faggot in England refers to minced pork offal mixed with herbs, one of my favourites since childhood.
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My son learnt it at school in cooking class as the term used for a bundle of green haricot beans wrapped with bacon. He had not heard it in any other context prior to that.
Steady. That's a bit sophisticated for the German-side of Switzerland!
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My gay buddies are thrilled here. Homosexuality is treated as a private matter, not as a political matter. But most of my buddies are discreet, private people.
Is that like "Don't ask, don't tell" which the U.S. military dropped years ago?
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Is that like "Don't ask, don't tell" which the U.S. military dropped years ago?
Let’s not forget that some people like keeping their private life private for an abundant amount of reasons.

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Homosexual does not equal effeminate. Straight does not equal what, "butch"? Anecdote alert: the (self proclaimed) camp-est, most effeminate men I have ever encountered were both very straight.
True, but some people still see being effeminate as being a gay trait.
Hence why it's used as an insult to perceived weakness.
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If having no special legislature works in Texas, why shouldn't it work in CH, is my question.

My gay buddies are thrilled here. Homosexuality is treated as a private matter, not as a political matter. But most of my buddies are discreet, private people.
<<Heterosexuality/jewishness/muslim belief/christian belief/... is treated as a private matter, not as a political matter. But most of my buddies are discreet, private people. (set the religious beliefs in countries actively opposing and discriminating against followers of such)>>

Are your buddies also private and happy when they aren't allowed to visit, let alone make decisions about, their loved ones in a hospital, because they aren't next of kin?

I have read some logorrheic 'epistemologic" s%$#e from you, and I don't mind it and at times find it entertaining, but this here screams of so much self-entitled privilege and active discrimination, it really takes the cake! Laws are being changed, and you are happy that your buddies don't bother you with their homosexuality?!
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