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Old 12.02.2020, 14:39
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Because, simply, I do not understand what she means by "they are private and discreet."

But as you seem to be so full of it, what does she mean?
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What do you mean by that? Do you mean physically shouting or are you, like MC, being particularly vague.
Show no signs of affection in public? Don't engage in public discourse about LGBT topics? Don't attend any christopher street day parade... Just along these lines

I fail to see where the ambiguity is?

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Show no signs of affection in public? Don't engage in public discourse about LGBT topics? Don't attend any christopher street day parade... Just along these lines

I fail to see where the ambiguity is?
Does that go for straight couples too?
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Old 12.02.2020, 14:43
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We're all guessing here as MC thinks she's being frightfully clever by not answering pretty simple questions about her posts.

Perhaps forums aren't really for her and she ought to blog instead?
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Old 12.02.2020, 14:43
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Does that go for straight couples too?
Some do show affection in public others not, i certainly did as teen, not so much now. Why?

I'm not really sure where you want to go with that question?
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What do you mean by that? Do you mean physically shouting or are you, like MC, being particularly vague.
I mean people who don't tell me either verbally or by some other means what their orientation is. It's really that simple, there's no hidden meaning.

Some people may only go to certain bars, may only hang out with certain people, may be very vocal in their beliefs, may dress very distinctively, whatever.. It's up to them..
Others don't, they see it as a more private thing... It's up to them.
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We're all guessing here as MC thinks she's being frightfully clever by not answering pretty simple questions about her posts.
No, it's only you (and a couple of others earlier) that seems to be guessing, the rest of us are happy to read the words that were written and not try to invent meanings that were not there.
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Old 12.02.2020, 14:51
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No, it's only you (and a couple of others earlier) that seems to be guessing, the rest of us are happy to read the words that were written and not try to invent meanings that were not there.
You wrote that you were guessing too.

I think Elu has pretty much got it right.

The problem is though - some of us would like to think it's not the 1950s any more but it would appear from some of the comments on this thread that we should all act like it is.
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Old 12.02.2020, 14:55
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Some do show affection in public others not, i certainly did as teen, not so much now. Why?

I'm not really sure where you want to go with that question?
Indeed. Some public displays of affection can be questionable. Maybe it's old age. (EDIT -- My old age)

Saw a middle aged couple kissing last weekend at a bar, I thought she was going to eat his face off in a frenzy of teeth, tongues and saliva.
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Old 12.02.2020, 14:57
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You wrote that you were guessing too.

I think Elu has pretty much got it right.

The problem is though - some of us would like to think it's not the 1950s any more but it would appear from some of the comments on this thread that we should all act like it is.
Thank you for the flowers but I think I just wrote the same as Ace and John?

No one, including MC, wanted (or did) write something along the lines of: "Gays must be discreet and live out their homosexuality (whatever that means) only in their home where no one can see it."
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You wrote that you were guessing too.
Sarcasm

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The problem is though - some of us would like to think it's not the 1950s any more but it would appear from some of the comments on this thread that we should all act like it is.
Which would be bad, I agree, ( and maybe that's implied in other posts, I haven't noticed) but it's quite a leap from "are" to "should be".
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Indeed. Some public displays of affection can be questionable. Maybe it's old age.

Saw a middle aged couple kissing last weekend at a bar, I thought she was going to eat his face off in a frenzy of teeth, tongues and saliva.
I have heard of a person swallowing fake teeth. 👀
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I have heard of a person swallowing fake teeth. 👀
I guess that would funny first time around ..

Second time would stink.
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Indeed. Some public displays of affection can be questionable. Maybe it's old age. (EDIT -- My old age)

Saw a middle aged couple kissing last weekend at a bar, I thought she was going to eat his face off in a frenzy of teeth, tongues and saliva.
An old woman had a heart attack in the Bahnhofstrasse the other week, some filthy barsteward took this as an opportunity to snog her while his mate groped her chest.
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We're all guessing here as MC thinks she's being frightfully clever by not answering pretty simple questions about her posts.

Perhaps forums aren't really for her and she ought to blog instead?
This.

I get that a person's - any person's - sexuality is noone else's damn business. What bothers me, and perhaps this is where the potential ambiguity lies as I see it, are the "private and discreet " folk private and discreet out because they choose to be or because that, really, is the only option available given the societal set up?

Again, anecdotal, but i have friends who are far more themselves, truly, in some places than in others.
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An old woman had a heart attack in the Bahnhofstrasse the other week, some filthy barsteward took this as an opportunity to snog her while his mate groped her chest.
Did people help her? It is horrific. Who did that?

I wonder if she got a heart attack from them approaching her. Their sentence would be higher.
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Old 12.02.2020, 16:22
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That's exactly what you are doing, in the very next sentence

As with earlier posts, to infer that meaning from any ambiguity in what was posted must take a positive effort.

What she said was

Nothing, absolutely nothing at all, of that text implies any judgement over what other people should or should not do.



Why are you addressing such questions directly at her? She's not been making any comments on those points, but you're trying to force her into a discussion about a point that she hasn't been making.
You are assuming that everybody understood it in exactly the same way as you did which they clearly didn’t.
I think it’s pretty insulting to the ones who saw it differently or who didn’t understand what she was getting at to say that it took positive effort.
Just because somebody understood something differently doesn’t necessarily make them wrong.

I think you are seriously lacking some objectivity here.

Unless MC comes back to clarify exactly what she meant in that post then everybody is just guessing. She seems unwilling to actually do that.


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If having no special legislature works in Texas, why shouldn't it work in CH, is my question.

My gay buddies are thrilled here. Homosexuality is treated as a private matter, not as a political matter. But most of my buddies are discreet, private people.
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What on earth are you talking about? I don't know if you think that using long words makes you sound clever (it doesn't) but how you could read the short sentence that was written and extrapolate to that nonsense is quite beyond me.
I’m not sure how you can call that a short sentence. It is a collection of sentences (and some of which can’t even be classed as sentences)
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Old 12.02.2020, 16:23
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What bothers me, and perhaps this is where the potential ambiguity lies as I see it, are the "private and discreet " folk private and discreet out because they choose to be or because that, really, is the only option available given the societal set up?
Yes, it's important do differentiate between the two options. I am hoping that with the new legislation, more homosexuals, who could previously not choose as you wrote, are willing to take the risk. (Unfortunately, it's still a risk in todays society imho)
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Old 12.02.2020, 16:31
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Yes, it's important do differentiate between the two options. I am hoping that with the new legislation, more homosexuals, who could previously not choose as you wrote, are willing to take the risk. (Unfortunately, it's still a risk in todays society imho)
I don't know anyone who doesn't hope for that, to be honest. But I also know people who don't feel like showing their affection openly just to justify the need for a law. Where we are, a small community, people are supported. It is a good vibe.
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Old 12.02.2020, 16:37
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You are assuming that everybody understood it in exactly the same way as you did which they clearly didnít.
I think itís pretty insulting to the ones who saw it differently or who didnít understand what she was getting at to say that it took positive effort.
Just because somebody understood something differently doesnít necessarily make them wrong.

I think you are seriously lacking some objectivity here.

Unless MC comes back to clarify exactly what she meant in that post then everybody is just guessing. She seems unwilling to actually do that.
Not Everybody, just those looking for a hidden meaning or something to jump on

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Iím not sure how you can call that a short sentence. It is a collection of sentences (and some of which canít even be classed as sentences)
Now we're back to the language style and sentence construction


Are we not actually all in general agreement in this thread, for once? Let's drop the semantics?
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Old 12.02.2020, 16:44
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But I also know people who don't feel like showing their affection openly just to justify the need for a law.
I can sympathize with that, like, they don't want their love "instrumentalized" for politics.

(Propably badly worded, I tried for 10min and am happy to clarify if needed)
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