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In support of my gay daughter...

...who went through some rather horrendous experience in Geneva, homophobic abuse, even assault. I hope this one gets through.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51370820

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Sorry to hear about your daughterís experience. I was of the assumption that homosexuality had become a non-issue but that may just be me being naive.
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Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Just as I assumed it was completely safe to let her go out with friends in Geneva centre at night, when she was 18. No, it wasn't.
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Sorry to hear about your daughterís experience. I was of the assumption that homosexuality had become a non-issue but that may just be me being naive.
I'd like to think so too, but last week I was waiting for a tram when a young female couple walked by holding hands. The looks several other travelers gave the young ladies were a combination of astonishment and disgust. It was a bit weird. The ladies were holding hands, not stripping down and making a show or anything.
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Re: In support of my gay daughter...

I voted yes.
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I'd like to think so too, but last week I was waiting for a tram when a young female couple walked by holding hands. The looks several other travelers gave the young ladies were a combination of astonishment and disgust. It was a bit weird.
Sad that these attitudes still exist, but we've come a long way since the 1960s, when such visual display might have landed you in prison (in some places it still might )

I think it's great that young LGBTQ people feel able to not suppress themselves as used to be the case, and hope that this vote is another step up the ladder for them. Previous generations were not so lucky and many people have spent their whole lives in denial as a result, and that is a tragedy.
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Old 09.02.2020, 13:57
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I'd like to think so too, but last week I was waiting for a tram when a young female couple walked by holding hands. The looks several other travelers gave the young ladies were a combination of astonishment and disgust. It was a bit weird. The ladies were holding hands, not stripping down and making a show or anything.


That's exactly what happened to her and her girlfriend. They both look like two ordinary young women, definitely discreet and not into making "a show" of their love (tbh, regardless of sexuality, it bothers me when two people eat each other's tongue on the tram in a rather noisy and ostentatious way - it's like eating soup, avoid slurping when in good company!), they simply held hand...this was enough to trigger disgusting and hateful reactions.


Homophobia in schools is also rife. So, no, we definitely still have a long way to go.
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Old 09.02.2020, 14:26
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Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Our village is at 50.52% yes, so I guess that our three votes mattered for once. (actually, doing the math, 40% turnout with a guesstimated 1200 eligible voters, 3 votes = 0.625%, so yes)

Don't think that it will change anything, though.

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Homophobia in schools is also rife. So, no, we definitely still have a long way to go.
I have to unfortunately agree: homophobia in schools is also rife. My 10 year old already is starting to build prejudices based on jokes his "mates" in school are making about one particular boy who simply doesn't look as macho as the rest and doesn't want to play their (mostly incredibly stupid) games. My problem is that parents have a huge role to play here but mostly I don't see this happening. I have forced our son to invite the boy to playdates, bday parties, etc, but he seems shunned in general and teachers are completely ok with that. "They sort themselves out". Well, mostly, they actually don't
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I was of the assumption that homosexuality had become a non-issue but that may just be me being naive.
Come on... surely you are not so out of touch with reality?
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I have to unfortunately agree: homophobia in schools is also rife. My 10 year old already is starting to build prejudices based on jokes his "mates" in school are making about one particular boy who simply doesn't look as macho as the rest and doesn't want to play their (mostly incredibly stupid) games. My problem is that parents have a huge role to play here but mostly I don't see this happening. I have forced our son to invite the boy to playdates, bday parties, etc, but he seems shunned in general and teachers are completely ok with that. "They sort themselves out". Well, mostly, they actually don't
Maybe the growing push to have LGBT representation everywhere and campaigns to give them special rights (such as this one) allows some parents to think that enough is being done already.
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Maybe the growing push to have LGBT representation everywhere and campaigns to give them special rights (such as this one) allows some parents to think that enough is being done already.
That was one of the principle arguments for voting no in the voting info.

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Re: In support of my gay daughter...

According to 20minuten the majority voted yes
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Old 09.02.2020, 15:36
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Re: In support of my gay daughter...

It goes without saying that I put in a YES! as well, various family members belong to the rainbow tribe..... I witnessed , and sadly still have to witness, quite atrocious behaviour and homo/transphobic slurs against those family members


Sad really that some ppl still live in middle age , or further back
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Yes, 60% or so.

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Re: In support of my gay daughter...

Homophobia among teenagers definitely exists as does young men drawing penises in their books. I think it has to do with finding themselves in the onslaught of puberty. Most grow out of it once they reach adulthood. Iím not excusing it but summarizing what I see. However, I find todayís youth far more tolerant than in the past.

Iíve always thought gay men were more prone to homophobic remarks than gay women.
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Maybe the growing push to have LGBT representation everywhere and campaigns to give them special rights (such as this one) allows some parents to think that enough is being done already.
Not special rights, equal rights.



Olygirl - there was a horrific incident on a London bus last year where two women were assaulted.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1581257149836


It's completely outrageous, for anyone to be subjected to this, doesn't matter who they are with.

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...who went through some rather horrendous experience in Geneva, homophobic abuse, even assault. I hope this one gets through.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51370820
Great post. And the vote got through !!!
Now thatís what I call a good parent.
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Homophobia among teenagers definitely exists as does young men drawing penises in their books. I think it has to do with finding themselves in the onslaught of puberty. Most grow out of it once they reach adulthood. Iím not excusing it but summarizing what I see. However, I find todayís youth far more tolerant than in the past.

Iíve always thought gay men were more prone to homophobic remarks than gay women
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And why would you think that
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Re: In support of my gay daughter...

The extrapolation was 62% yes at 14.48h today. German.
I expected more but it can still change.

MvTavge, you were a bit late calling people to vote?

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What special rights? The right not to be attacked for being perceived as part of a group?
Bad enough it is necessary at all. Don't feel generous about it!
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