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Their postmodern feminist ideas will always lose against nature though.
Nature, like it is set in stone? It‘s a moving target. Life expectancy, for example changes. Natural processes are subject to evolutionary force. Not immediately, and there are always exceptions, but nevertheless “nature” is not fixed.
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Here‘s an article from the guardian....mostly famous people having kids....

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...births-soaring

As for medical lit, you‘ll have to google. But I can tell you that many academic medical centers, for, love to treat advanced maternal age patients....it‘s interesting research and an accomplishment on their part.


When I was 46, and had not yet gone through menopause my new US gyn was all excited that I too could have a baby. I said thanks, but no thanks.

If anyone remembers disgraced US senator and VP candidate John Edwards, his wife Elizabeth gave birth at 48 and 51.
Why are you linking this stuff? Did anyone say women in their 40's and 50's can't or shouldn't have kids? No, we are generalizing based on what is (at least, I thought) relatively common knowledge and why many men choose younger women and why many younger women choose older men.

It seems this topic really does hit a sore spot if some of you are going to such lengths to create and defend imaginary attacks on older women, because I assure you there was no intention of anything such.
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Why arte you linking this stuff? Did anyone say women in their 50's can't or shouldn't have kids?

Wow, it seems these topic really does hit a sore spot with many of you if you are going to such lengths to create and defend imaginary attacks on older women.

Did you not ask for proof? What is it that you want? Can’t link medical stuff as it is behind a paywall.
Google is your friend.....have a nice day.
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Why are you linking this stuff? Did anyone say women in their 40's and 50's can't or shouldn't have kids? No, we are generalizing based on what is (at least, I thought) common knowledge about reproductive viability and why many men choose younger women and why women choose older men.

It seems this topic really does hit a sore spot if some of you are going to such lengths to create and defend imaginary attacks on older women.
No, they tried to answer to your questions/reply to your post. I thought you expected an answer, a reaction....something.

You might be right for the most part of people, but the point is - things are slowly changing. I don't think it has to do with feminism, times are changing. Women study more years, get better jobs, marry later.

It's the old discussion nature vs. nurture. You'll have people on both sides, as expected.

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OMG we can go around in circles quoting studies, statistics, history, wikipedia, old wives tails, CNN ..blah blah blah ..can someone please start talking about their PhD and get me the hell outta here!

The generalisations are one thing, but none of this is relevant to us as individuals. I see many couples that don't fit the mould...older women with younger guys, tall chicks with short guys, mixed race, same sex, tatooed with amputees. But the thing I've noticed about these couples generally is they are happy and connected. They might not get you, and you might not get them, but they get each other...reproducing or otherwise. So what else matters?

And with that...I depart this thread. :-)


Thank you for this post....and with this, I'll leave this thread too.
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Did you not ask for proof? What is it that you want? Can’t link medical stuff as it is behind a paywall.
Google is your friend.....have a nice day.
You provided zero proof other than for questions I didn't ask.

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No, they tried to answer to your questions/reply to your post. I thought you expected an answer, a reaction....something.

You might be right for the most part of people, but the point is - things are slowly changing. I don't think it has to do with feminism, times are changing. Women study more years, get better jobs, marry later.

It's the old discussion nature vs. nurture. You'll have people on both sides, as expected.
it's not a debate... no-on is arguing that older women cannot reproduce. It was about about why the overwhelming majority of men choose younger women, which some of you seem to have trouble dealing with.
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Why are you linking this stuff? Did anyone say women in their 40's and 50's can't or shouldn't have kids? No, we are generalizing based on what is (at least, I thought) relatively common knowledge and why many men choose younger women and why many younger women choose older men.

It seems this topic really does hit a sore spot if some of you are going to such lengths to create and defend imaginary attacks on older women, because I assure you there was no intention of anything such.
Then what was this?


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Women can reproduce very well until their early 40s, possible until early 50s? Can you please provide a link to a scientific or medical source for that eye-brow-raising, nature-defying statement?



What we have in this thread are responses mostly from women in the upper age ranges, many with children, some single and separated/divorced. Take them with a pinch of salt when it comes to objectivity and factual accuracy.
Them? Ooh you're a charmer. I bet you're beating those 20 year-olds off with a stick.
Can you say you are being objective or are you merely buying into a fantasy because it happens to suit your world view? Rhetorical qu, btw.

Nature is nothing but unpredictable and will always have the last laugh. The problem with generalizing, like averages, is it doesn't actually take real life into account. It might be neatly quotable as "evidence" but it isn't really.


Litespeed definitely has it right.
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Them? Ooh you're a charmer. I bet you're beating those 20 year-olds off with a stick.
Can you say you are being objective or are you merely buying into a fantasy because it happens to suit your world view? Rhetorical qu, btw.

Nature is nothing but unpredictable and will always have the last laugh. The problem with generalizing, like averages, is it doesn't actually take real life into account. It might be neatly quotable as "evidence" but it isn't really.


Litespeed definitely has it right.
Women in their 40's and 50's can't reproduce "very well" in general, it's a nonsense statement. They are either biologically gifted or need medical assistance.
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Why are you linking this stuff? Did anyone say women in their 40's and 50's can't or shouldn't have kids? No, we are generalizing based on what is (at least, I thought) relatively common knowledge and why many men choose younger women and why many younger women choose older men.

It seems this topic really does hit a sore spot if some of you are going to such lengths to create and defend imaginary attacks on older women, because I assure you there was no intention of anything such.
Basically you stated that in your opinion a 10-15 year age gap, with the woman being the younger party, was ideal. That is your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to express it.
Not everyone agrees with you and also expressed their opinion, others made posts that attempted to justify that opinion.

When it comes down to it though it is just that, your opinion.

The reality is that the vast majority of relationships are between people with an age gap of plus or minus 10 years either way, sure there are exceptions to this but most people fall into that group.

Litespeed was spot on in his reply, age, size, weight, looks are all irrelevant if two people are happy in each other’s company.

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What we have in this thread are responses mostly from women in the upper age ranges, many with children, some single and separated/divorced. Take them with a pinch of salt when it comes to objectivity and factual accuracy.
I will assume from this ridiculous response that you are single.
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The reality is that the vast majority of relationships are between people with an age gap of plus or minus 10 years either way, sure there are exceptions to this but most people fall into that group.
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Is it though? I was under the impression that the age gap is smaller. Most couples I know are of similar age, with only a few years difference. Most couples I know are also in their twenties, thirties or forties.
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Nature, like it is set in stone? It‘s a moving target. Life expectancy, for example changes. Natural processes are subject to evolutionary force. Not immediately, and there are always exceptions, but nevertheless “nature” is not fixed.
Yes, men will always have a natural attraction to women in their reproductive prime and this will never change. You could say it is set in stone.

I would say I'm sorry if you don't like this truth, but I am not.
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You provided zero proof other than for questions I didn't ask.
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No, that was exactly what you asked in that specific post, but you seem to forget. And who cares anymore.

Of the couples i know, I don’t even know their age ranges for the most part. I don’t ask them for id. Some have kids, some don’t....that’s their business too.

A big yawn. And probably a flounce.
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It can be clearly observed from the data presented, that many women begin their PhDs at 25


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Yes, men will always have a natural attraction to women in their reproductive prime and this will never change. You could say it is set in stone.

I would say I'm sorry if you don't like this truth, but I am not.
The point is that life expectancy and to some extent “reproductive prime” change over time based upon evolution and society. I’m not disputing your “lizard brain” hypothesis (If you’ve ever listened to George Carlin), although I don’t know if it’s universally quite as strong as you might think - that too can be influenced by natural selection.
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Yup and it is old news. Japan has started to produce young women odor perfumes (to smell like young, it feels creepy to me a tad) some time ago.
Do younger women objectively smell different to older ones?

I thought it's just about different generations having different tastes in perfume.

And the younger ones mostly don't have a clue.
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I try not to read more into those few, rather laconic lines that opened this thread, but she seemed to imply that she thinks that Swiss men run away from successful women like her and prefer the companionship of poorer or less educated women. I didn't get that happiness vibe at all. Maybe a tad of over-confidence and some snobbishness, but nope, nothing more than that.
Maybe she'll come back and shed some light here? I wouldn't expect it.
I suppose OP equates diplomas with education and less money with neediness. Each to their own, but assuming OP is for real I think her problem is not the PhD and the money, she should look somewhere else. Maybe that smell, who knows.
I think she is totally real.

A lot of women are saying this sort of thing in private. Just most don't have the guts (or foolishness) to post it on a public forum and expose it to the cruel scrutiny of strangers.
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Do younger women objectively smell different to older ones?

I thought it's just about different generations having different tastes in perfume.

And the younger ones mostly don't have a clue.
Ooooh la laaaaa...

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Do younger women objectively smell different to older ones?

I thought it's just about different generations having different tastes in perfume.

And the younger ones mostly don't have a clue.
Personally I rarely, if ever, judge an initial impression of a woman by their smell, unless of course I smell them before I see them and they are wearing amazin gperfume. For me it's almost always looks, starting with the face.
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Women in their 40's and 50's can't reproduce "very well" in general, it's a nonsense statement. They are either biologically gifted or need medical assistance.
Only your opinion is it "nonsense".

Biologically gifted? Good grief. I'll be sure to tell the women I know (and am one of) who had babies in their 40s without "medical assistance" that they're even more incredible than they know.

You do know that women aren't just a walking womb, yes?
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Litespeed was spot on in his reply, age, size, weight, looks are all irrelevant if two people are happy in each other’s company.
Except, the reality is..that Chuff and Litespeed are talking about 2 different things.

Chuff: Men are attracted to younger women as partners, statistically speaking. (I agree)

Litespeed: People are able to be attracted to anyone. (I agree)
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Personally I rarely, if ever, judge an initial impression of a woman by their smell, unless of course I smell them before I see them and they are wearing amazin gperfume. For me it's almost always looks, starting with the face.
I think the sequence is important. And subconsciousness. We make choices without realizing that we do.

Plus, if she hits your preferences, you might also realize that you are drawn to her by something. This something could very well be subconsciously the way she smells. I can't remember if research said we like people that smell good to us (by 'good' is a match in hormonal mix, not sense in the perfume sense, Japanese have started to add this essense to their perfumes, describing it as the sweet smell of youth or such). Or we start liking the smell of somebody because we like them. The former, I am pretty sure about it when I think about it. Nature is a potent drive in humans. To our benefit.
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