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amogles 05.03.2020 11:30

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 3154301)
Personally I rarely, if ever, judge an initial impression of a woman by their smell, unless of course I smell them before I see them and they are wearing amazin gperfume. For me it's almost always looks, starting with the face.

I agree.

But it is often said, and I assume there is some truth to it, that women rate smell more highly than men do.

Full Circle 05.03.2020 11:32

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Only your opinion is it "nonsense".

Biologically gifted? Good grief. I'll be sure to tell the women I know (and am one of) who had babies in their 40s without "medical assistance" that they're even more incredible than they know.

You do know that women aren't just a walking womb, yes?
Be sure to also tell all the women who have complications having babies after 40 that there's obviously something wrong with them.

MusicChick 05.03.2020 11:37

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3154299)
I think she is totally real.

A lot of women are saying this sort of thing in private. Just most don't have the guts (or foolishness) to post it on a public forum and expose it to the cruel scrutiny of strangers.

She probably deals the same gutsy direct way with guys.

Too bad we can't hear more about her anecdotes.

Guest 05.03.2020 11:41

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154313)
Be sure to also tell all the women who have complications having babies after 40 that there's obviously something wrong with them.

And this means what?

Full Circle 05.03.2020 11:48

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And this means what?
That women who can have babies after 40 are somewhat biologically gifted because most women at that age have difficulty in conceiving.

MusicChick 05.03.2020 11:49

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3154311)
I agree.

But it is often said, and I assume there is some truth to it, that women rate smell more highly than men do.

I think they have proven only that women are more conscious of the smell, as opposed to reacting on it but not be conscious of the real motive. Say, you are conscious of liking her face but really your internal radar is reacting to the mix of (fertility) hormones she exudes. Or, it is a God's sign. :D

This thread has never been romantic. I think we are killing even the rom potential now, hahaha.

Belgianmum 05.03.2020 12:06

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 3154281)
Is it though? I was under the impression that the age gap is smaller. Most couples I know are of similar age, with only a few years difference. Most couples I know are also in their twenties, thirties or forties.

I was being generous, the reality is that the age gap for the majority of couples is plus or minus five years. Itís the typical bell curve distribution and numbers tail off significantly after they.

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154313)
Be sure to also tell all the women who have complications having babies after 40 that there's obviously something wrong with them.

Be sure to tell all the ones under 40 the same thing because there are plenty of thowe around too.
You might want to tell the men too while youíre at it because sperm quality decreases with age too.

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154322)
That women who can have babies after 40 are somewhat biologically gifted because most women at that age have difficulty in conceiving.

Some women over 40 have difficulty conceiving just the same as some women under 40 do. Woman are statistically more likely to have difficulties conceiving once they pass 40 but that does not mean that most of them have difficulties, far from it.

Axa 05.03.2020 12:14

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154322)
That women who can have babies after 40 are somewhat biologically gifted because most women at that age have difficulty in conceiving.

Same for the elder men. Sure, there might be biologically gifted men that can father kids after a certain age, but most cannot even have an erection without pills :D

Pills fix the erection thing and then what, the genes of old guys yield a shopping list of genetic malfunctions on kids...bravo!

Full Circle 05.03.2020 12:16

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Originally Posted by Belgianmum (Post 3154332)
Some women over 40 have difficulty conceiving just the same as some women under 40 do. Woman are statistically more likely to have difficulties conceiving once they pass 40 but that does not mean that most of them have difficulties, far from it.

What is this gibberish?

If something is statistically more likely to happen it is due to it happening more often than not.

MusicChick 05.03.2020 12:23

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3154336)
Same for the elder men. Sure, there might be biologically gifted men that can father kids after a certain age, but most cannot even have an erection without pills :D

Pills fix the erection thing and then what, the genes of old guys yield a shopping list of genetic malfunctions on kids...bravo!

Or, women should stop washing off that potent motive? No erectile dysfunction. Simples. :D

Or maybe work out. Everybody. No pills, no hormonal problems, including infertility.

The factor isn't simply age, but age linked: poor health. Lots of people wake up only when they cannot conceive (or find a partner).

I wonder if your generic PhD is of better/worse health. I don't think it figures as a factor. Did not for Hawking? But he did find his object of desire (reproduction speaking) when he was still healthy.

Guest 05.03.2020 12:47

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154322)
That women who can have babies after 40 are somewhat biologically gifted because most women at that age have difficulty in conceiving.

Evidence?

Guest 05.03.2020 12:48

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154338)
What is this retarded gibberish?

If something is statistically more likely to happen it is due to it happening more often than not.

Now this is gibberish. No need for the insult.

MusicChick 05.03.2020 12:51

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I read that by 37 women will be down to 3,5% of the number of eggs they started with.

Circle is right.

I also read that the trends are changing, smart girls (I think it was a uni degree and Northern countries) are starting to have kids earlier without counting on finding a reliable partner. It is a consequence that I understand.

I think one cannot identify reliability by an odor. A friend told me, simply by childhood in an intact family. Hmmmmm.

Belgianmum 05.03.2020 12:52

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154338)
What is this retarded gibberish?

If something is statistically more likely to happen it is due to it happening more often than not.

You might want to revise your statistics knowledge.:rolleyes: Or your reading comprehension skills.

Just because something is statistically more likely to happen does not mean it will happen the majority of the time.

Iíll give you and example:

If 1 in a hundred women under 40 have difficulties in conceiving and 2 or 3 or 4 or even 25 in a hundred women over 40 have difficulties in conceiving it means that over 40 they are statistically more likely to have difficulties. It doesnít mean that most of them will have difficulties which is what you said.

As for the use of the R word, you should be ashamed of yourself.

amogles 05.03.2020 12:57

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3154305)
I think the sequence is important. And subconsciousness. We make choices without realizing that we do.

Plus, if she hits your preferences, you might also realize that you are drawn to her by something. This something could very well be subconsciously the way she smells. I can't remember if research said we like people that smell good to us (by 'good' is a match in hormonal mix, not sense in the perfume sense, Japanese have started to add this essense to their perfumes, describing it as the sweet smell of youth or such). Or we start liking the smell of somebody because we like them. The former, I am pretty sure about it when I think about it. Nature is a potent drive in humans. To our benefit.

I think to some extent our preferences are guided by previous experiences. We may react negatively to traits (be they smell, looks, timbre of voice) that remind us of people we had bad experiences with in the past. Even if making such a connection is totally irrational as there is no link between the trait and what happened..

There is probably also positive programming over things we like.

This is maybe also why ideals of beauty, attractiveness etc change over time, as we can recognize when studying art from different periods of history.

Full Circle 05.03.2020 12:59

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Originally Posted by Axa (Post 3154336)
Same for the elder men. Sure, there might be biologically gifted men that can father kids after a certain age, but most cannot even have an erection without pills :D

I don't think anyone disagrees on the biological limitations for men.

Applying the same for women seems to be a bit of an issue for some though :)

Ace1 05.03.2020 13:07

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Sometimes watching these discussions is vaguely amusing, but I still can't for the life of me work out why so many people want to argue with statements that weren't made.

Nobody has said it's not common for older women to be able to conceive, simply that it becomes less likely. It's a fact.

Chuff's use of hyperbole may be designed to wind you up, and certainly using terms like "medically gifted" to refer to those who retain their reproductive abilities later doesn't help either, implying that they're somehow freaks, rather than simply outliers on the distribution curve.

On the other hand, the old "arguing against things that weren't actually said" appears to be live and kicking, for example nobody has said that "most women over 40" have difficulty conceiving, yet it hasn't stopped some posters refuting that (unmade) point.

All it's really achieved is moving the discussion even further away from the original point. Is there a male bias against smart women? Or against older women?

I don't know, having been married for the last 25 years, but I would guess that, statistically speaking, there would be many more younger women that I'd find attractive, but I'd also only want to have a relationship with the smarter ones.

MusicChick 05.03.2020 13:08

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Originally Posted by amogles (Post 3154363)
I think to some extent our preferences are guided by previous experiences. We may react negatively to traits (be they smell, looks, tone of voice) that remind us of people we had bad experiences with in the past.

I think now it is you being too optimistic. You assume that people learn in this. They usually repeat familiar patterns (often not even their own but their parents', for example). All this is exposure/frequency driven. Only those who are aware of the patterns actually have a chance to actively change/learn.

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There is probably also positive programming over things we like..
Depends how one works with guilt. Some don't have enough self imposed guilt, they outsource more in systems of spiritual beliefs. :D

As per beauty - there are bio obligations we fall for, predictibly. Symmetry/familiarity is one that spans across old and new aesthetics. If we add usefulness or function (and we do), that changes based on what we value at that moment/era, I guess.

Axa 05.03.2020 13:10

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On the other hand......I remembered going to clubs 20 years ago. The easiest way of getting into a club was to invite my female friends. If I went with 3 girls, the door was wide open. I was the same broke guy who would by 1 drink or 2 drinks but people perceived me differently.

In some way, old farts use young women to improve their self image and perceived status. The beauty of the young women is just a display of their money to the other old farts around. No reproduction issues here, it's just a simple "I can afford it....sorry her, and you cannot".

Belgianmum 05.03.2020 13:11

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Originally Posted by Full Circle (Post 3154364)
I don't think anyone disagrees on the biological limitations for men.

Applying the same for women seems to be a bit of an issue for some though :)

Nobody is disagreeing about the biological limitations for either sex, just some peopleís interpretation of it.


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