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02.03.2020, 15:23
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | Not so sure about that.
I know plenty of Swiss who have spent 5 to 10 years abroad but then come home. Canada seems to be quite popular, but I also know individuals who have been to the US, Brazil and South Africa. | | | | | I've heard it said about Austrians before, and it can relate to some of the swiss, they share traits with hobbits.
Not many crave adventure, but when they've had their fill of the rest of the world they want to come home drink beer, have their own food and marry Rosie. There's no place as peaceful and quite as the shire in a world filled with madness.
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02.03.2020, 15:58
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | Hi there
I know this might sound small-minded and stupid, but I was wondering if anyone could help me here. I have been living in Switzerland for 3 years now and work as a quantum analyst.
I have tried dating swiss men but it always goes wrong. Then I started noticing that they tend to tale seriously women with no education from poorer/needier backgrounds. It seems like every time they find out I am financially independent and have a PhD They get super turned off! this did not happen to me in other countries where I lived (Canada, Germany, Holland). In these countries men seem to appreciate having someone at their own intellectual height, someone to talk to and who goes to work as well.
How come swiss men are so much into women who are from poorer mentalities and financially needier (especially since they are not even up to picking up a dinner bill at least not with a professional woman)? | | | | | These sort of swiss " men" are just after a quicky. But many of course have a strong sense of inferiority and when you come along it reinforces that. Maybe you should play dumb and dont give too much away.
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02.03.2020, 16:07
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | I've heard it said about Austrians before, and it can relate to some of the swiss, they share traits with hobbits.
Not many crave adventure, but when they've had their fill of the rest of the world they want to come home drink beer, have their own food and marry Rosie. There's no place as peaceful and quite as the shire in a world filled with madness. | | | | | Hah, nice. I am going to steal this description for my own uses. | This user would like to thank Chuff for this useful post: | | 
02.03.2020, 16:08
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | Not so sure about that.
I know plenty of Swiss who have spent 5 to 10 years abroad but then come home. Canada seems to be quite popular for some reason, especially among the 50 plus generation, but I also know individuals who have been to the US, Brazil and South Africa. | | | | | As per the OSA (Organisation of Swiss abroad) and the BFS there are around 760k Swiss that currently do not live in Switzerland. If we ignore Swiss living in Europe the most popular countries are the US (80k + myself  ), followed by Canada (40k), Australia (25k) and Israel (20k). Even though a majority of those Swiss are multinationals, surely, some of them will come back | This user would like to thank scipio for this useful post: | | 
02.03.2020, 16:16
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I do think there are some men out there, regardless of their culture or where they live, who do have an inferiority complex that causes them to have a need to feel intellectually superior to the women they're with. I've experienced this before in forums where guys have tried to challenge everything that I say (and yet they don't do that to other men). And my best friend, who is a psychology professor, once told me that her male students do it to her all the time in the classroom.
I can certainly understand why a woman would want to date someone that she considers her "intellectual equivalent," because for myself at least, a man's intelligence is the most attractive thing about him. However, no one likes someone who brags and/or is pretentious. That can be a huge turn off. It reminds me of that quote by Einstein:
"More the knowledge, lesser the ego. Lesser the knowledge, more the ego."
Something like that. | The following 5 users would like to thank Pancakes for this useful post: | | 
02.03.2020, 16:28
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | I do think there are some men out there, regardless of their culture or where they live, who do have an inferiority complex that causes them to have a need to feel intellectually superior to the women they're with. I've experienced this before in forums where guys have tried to challenge everything that I say (and yet they don't do that to other men). And my best friend, who is a psychology professor, once told me that her male students do it to her all the time in the classroom.
I can certainly understand why a woman would want to date someone that she considers her "intellectual equivalent," because for myself at least, a man's intelligence is the most attractive thing about him. However, no one likes someone who brags and/or is pretentious. That can be a huge turn off. It reminds me of that quote by Einstein:
"More the knowledge, lesser the ego. Lesser the knowledge, more the ego."
Something like that.  | | | | | One should stay open. Its sometimes the opposites that hit it off much better and find a more lasting relationship
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02.03.2020, 16:31
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | As per the OSA (Organisation of Swiss abroad) and the BFS there are around 760k Swiss that currently do not live in Switzerland. If we ignore Swiss living in Europe the most popular countries are the US (80k + myself ), followed by Canada (40k), Australia (25k) and Israel (20k). Even though a majority of those Swiss are multinationals, surely, some of them will come back  | | | | | The last official figures show 1.47 million Irish citizens abroad, around 23% of Irish Citizens are living abroad. Compared to Switzerlands 8%, the difference is notable. Then again there are far more reasons for leaving Ireland than for leaving here, at least last time I added them up.
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02.03.2020, 17:00
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | This thread is really useless without pictures! | | | | | Mentality out for the lads!
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02.03.2020, 17:17
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | The last official figures show 1.47 million Irish citizens abroad, around 23% of Irish Citizens are living abroad. Compared to Switzerlands 8%, the difference is notable. Then again there are far more reasons for leaving Ireland than for leaving here, at least last time I added them up. | | | | | It's 11% for Switzerland (you don't include non-Swiss citizens living in Switzerland to determine the share of Swiss abroad, the data is from 2018 btw). And yes, obviously there are different reasons/motivations to leave a country. In the case of Switzerland a significant number are people who are 65+ and decide to retire abroad (though, they are not overrepresented by much with respect to the age structure in Swiss demographics). Anyways, this is getting a bit too much offtopic.
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02.03.2020, 17:35
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | The last official figures show 1.47 million Irish citizens abroad, around 23% of Irish Citizens are living abroad. Compared to Switzerlands 8%, the difference is notable. Then again there are far more reasons for leaving Ireland than for leaving here, at least last time I added them up. | | | | | That, and also I think, Ireland makes it easier for n-th generation Irish living outside Ireland to claim citizenship.
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02.03.2020, 18:10
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | I do think there are some men out there, regardless of their culture or where they live, who do have an inferiority complex that causes them to have a need to feel intellectually superior to the women they're with. I've experienced this before in forums where guys have tried to challenge everything that I say (and yet they don't do that to other men). And my best friend, who is a psychology professor, once told me that her male students do it to her all the time in the classroom. | | | | | As an American, I have to say I have been subjected/forced to many different ideals coming out of the American Media about a person's status in society. Whether it be sexual orientation, gender roles, socioeconomics, expectations, etc. I will say Switzerland is conservative and old-school in my experiences. It's still for the most part a Man's world over here. I feel the odds are good in Switzerland for most women to excel and advance in the same fashion as a man will, including dating.
What's sometimes confusing to process as a person that crosses back and forth over the pond a few times a year; is that in America, as a man, one will surely experience almost the exact opposite at this point if dealing with women under the age of 35. I am caucasian, above average height, above average education, above average experiences in life and I will fully vouch that many women in America (regardless of intelligence) will try to rip you apart and throw you to the curb just for being a man with any worth.
So it can go both ways in a sense.
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02.03.2020, 18:15
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | What's sometimes confusing to process as a person that crosses back and forth over the pond a few times a year; is that in America, as a man, one will surely experience almost the exact opposite at this point if dealing with women under the age of 35. I am caucasian, above average height, above average education, above average experiences in life and I will fully vouch that many women in America (regardless of intelligence) will try to rip you apart and throw you to the curb just for being a man with any worth. | | | | | Maybe that's just the shit test. American society seems to be big into that sort of thing. shit test
Happens in CH too, but it's much more subtle.
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02.03.2020, 18:38
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I met my wife when I was a graduate student in NYC. She had grown up mainly in Germany child of Dept of Defense civilian. in the course of her marriage she finished her undergraduate degree and an MA in history; I collected a number of degrees up to PhD. So what? We lived in 6 or 7 countries in the course of our marriage until she passed away 2 weeks before our 50th anniversary leaving 4 children and 8 (soon to be 9) grandchildren, some in US, some in GB and some in Switzerland. For what it’s worth.
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02.03.2020, 18:46
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | Poor mentality ..... hmmm, first time I heard this term.
Anyway: Elite Partner "für singles mit Niveau" I laugh every time I hear that slogan. But it might be exactly OP's thing.  | | | | | So she can talk to other fake trolls with PHDs?
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02.03.2020, 18:51
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe that's just the shit test. American society seems to be big into that sort of thing. shit test
Happens in CH too, but it's much more subtle. | | | | | Great read! Reminds me of dating back before I moved here. I think you are correct when you say American Society seems to be into that sort of thing.
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02.03.2020, 19:18
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | So she can talk to other fake trolls with PHDs? | | | | | Yes. The only thing not fake will be the bill.
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02.03.2020, 20:07
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this could be a good potential partner for the OP | The following 6 users would like to thank k_and_e for this useful post: | | 
02.03.2020, 20:27
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | How come swiss men are so much into women who are from poorer mentalities and financially needier (especially since they are not even up to picking up a dinner bill at least not with a professional woman)? | | | | | Perhaps they simply find them to be nicer and not so full of themselves?
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02.03.2020, 20:30
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| | Re: Swiss men and dating | Quote: | |  | | | I do think there are some men out there, regardless of their culture or where they live, who do have an inferiority complex that causes them to have a need to feel intellectually superior to the women they're with. I've experienced this before in forums where guys have tried to challenge everything that I say (and yet they don't do that to other men). And my best friend, who is a psychology professor, once told me that her male students do it to her all the time in the classroom.
I can certainly understand why a woman would want to date someone that she considers her "intellectual equivalent," because for myself at least, a man's intelligence is the most attractive thing about him. However, no one likes someone who brags and/or is pretentious. That can be a huge turn off. It reminds me of that quote by Einstein:
"More the knowledge, lesser the ego. Lesser the knowledge, more the ego."
Something like that.  | | | | | I don't think it is a male issue, or gender stuff. I think it is just a jerk issue. Look on the forum, or any community, you will see after a while those who stalk others just to "show them that they aren't that smart", it is comical. But as you said, pretentiousness isn't hot in any way. Neither is a fragile ego or an inability to be happy for some else's achievements, tbh.
I was wondering about the OP's dilemma. I would like to ask OP, since she seems to single out the local guys. And accuses them of prejudice. How is singling out potential suitors based on nationality not a prejudice? What if the guys don't discriminate against her intellect but think "another post-doc who will need a permit...". Would OP understand their experience? Or is it them not wanting a smart girl.
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