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Re: Border closing between Ticino and Italy

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So what happens if a Swiss, resident of Italy, drives an Italian car in Switzerland?
No problem.

It depends on residence, not nationality.

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Would disagree with that. Renter car in Zurich last summer to be returned in Frankfurt and was supplied with German plates. We are not residents though so maybe someone did that connection.
But that does not contradict what I was saying, it is normal to rent a car with Swiss plates across the border for a Swiss, just like it is normal for a German to rent a car with German plates at Zürich airport when wanting to use it in Germany.
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Re: Border closing between Ticino and Italy

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But that does not contradict what I was saying, it is normal to rent a car with Swiss plates across the border for a Swiss, just like it is normal for a German to rent a car with German plates at Zürich airport when wanting to use it in Germany.
You can't rent a car with German plates in Switzerland. You can't rent a car with Swiss plates in France/Germany/Italy.

If the Swiss/European gouvernments had any common sense, they'd have changed the law to exclude short-term car rentals (say, anything up to 30 days) from the law. But then, it's bureaucracy, which is terrible in pretty much every country and definitely doesn't involve common sense.
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You can't rent a car with German plates in Switzerland. You can't rent a car with Swiss plates in France/Germany/Italy.
Yes you can. Especially popular at airports.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...d/index_de.htm

"Die meisten Mietwagenfirmen in der Schweiz bieten EU-Bürgern im Hinblick auf die Einhaltung der Zollvorschriften Autos mit EU-Kennzeichen an, aber Sie sollten sich vorher bei Ihrer Mietwagenfirma erkundigen."
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Re: Border closing between Ticino and Italy

Although I appreciate the information about cross-border car rentals, the title of this thread made me react even more.

Decades ago, I wasn't allowed to enter France on my US passport without a visa. This will be the first time since then I've seen a European country close its borders. It is extremely alarming but somewhere deep down I'm relieved it's not due to political issues.
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Although I appreciate the information about cross-border car rentals, the title of this thread made me react even more.

Decades ago, I wasn't allowed to enter France on my US passport without a visa. This will be the first time since then I've seen a European country close its borders. It is extremely alarming but somewhere deep down I'm relieved it's not due to political issues.
Indeed, but I cannot locate anything in the news about it??
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Indeed, but I cannot locate anything in the news about it??
Italy locking up is almost in every newspaper and on almost every news site in the world.
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Re: Border closing between Ticino and Italy

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Italy locking up is almost in every newspaper and on almost every news site in the world.
I found the OP's experience the best source of relatable news on this topic. Information published is not quite as cut and dry as it seems since trains are still running but cars are being stopped. I'm quite confused on exactly how a lockdown is being implemented on those who'd like to go to Italy.
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Re: Border closing between Ticino and Italy

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Italy locking up is almost in every newspaper and on almost every news site in the world.
Despite the lockdown, the Swiss/Italian border has remained open and even trains are going through. It has been a major topic of discussion.

The news ticker soon after I posted said that 9 borders have been newly closed between Italy and Switzerland, but not all:

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...irus--18500160
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So what happens if a Swiss, resident of Italy, drives an Italian car in Switzerland?
He has to have the Italian permit with him at all times, I guess?
That's fine as it's your residence that counts.

It's more of a mess when you have multiple residences... (e.g. UK you can be tax resident even though you are domiciled and normally resident in Switzerland).

To the OP - you need to fill out a "self certification" form, that you are travelling for one of the permitted reasons (work, medical emergency or travelling home). With said paper, you can cross the border/checkpoints in Italy.

Keep in mind that they do spot checks on the paperwork submitted, and lying will award you up to 3 months in a very special quarantine (jail).

Link to said document:
https://www.scribd.com/document/4510...XIX#from_embed

Print a few copies, as each checkpoint will keep a copy.

(edit: I've been told that the border is being kept open as most doctors/nurses in Ticinese hospitals are frontalieri (cross-border commuters); and closing the border would negatively impact the ability of Ticino to handle patients. Not sure how much truth there is to the rumour)
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The news ticker soon after I posted said that 9 borders have been newly closed between Italy and Switzerland, but not all
They closed most of the normally unmanned borders, and manned a few others.

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(edit: I've been told that the border is being kept open as most doctors/nurses in Ticinese hospitals are frontalieri (cross-border commuters); and closing the border would negatively impact the ability of Ticino to handle patients. Not sure how much truth there is to the rumour)
It's many, but not most.

All of our doctors are Swiss.

And most frontalieri are not involved in healthcare, only 4k out of 70k.

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Despite the lockdown, the Swiss/Italian border has remained open and even trains are going through. It has been a major topic of discussion.

The news ticker soon after I posted said that 9 borders have been newly closed between Italy and Switzerland, but not all:

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...irus--18500160
I find this part most interesting in that 20Minute article you linked:
<<Schutzmasken aus China für die Schweiz, die im Hamburger Hafen blockiert werden, sollen bald freigegeben werden. Das stellte Seco-Direktorin Marie-Gabrielle Ineichen-Fleisch am Mittwoch vor den Medien in Bern in Aussicht. Auch für Lastwagen, die Deutschland zurückhält, sei eine Lösung in Sicht.>>
Why is Germany blocking goods heading for Switzerland?!
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I find this part most interesting in that 20Minute article you linked:
<<Schutzmasken aus China für die Schweiz, die im Hamburger Hafen blockiert werden, sollen bald freigegeben werden. Das stellte Seco-Direktorin Marie-Gabrielle Ineichen-Fleisch am Mittwoch vor den Medien in Bern in Aussicht. Auch für Lastwagen, die Deutschland zurückhält, sei eine Lösung in Sicht.>>
Why is Germany blocking goods heading for Switzerland?!
Because they a couple of days took on a new ruling that medical supplies and hygienic stuff like medical gloves is not allowed to be transported out of the country since they fear they might run out. Border patrol is following the rules.
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It's many, but not most.

All of our doctors are Swiss.

And most frontalieri are not involved in healthcare, only 4k out of 70k.

Tom
Yea, seems to be another half-truth told by the Swiss government as to why they keep the borders open. Another fib is that they don't want to close the schools since at-risk grandparents will have to take care of the children that could give them the virus, despite being stuck at home. A few people in other forums have written to their contacts in Bern to find answers and that continues to be the generic response.

Protect the economy at all costs for now it seems...waiting for that to change.
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I find this part most interesting in that 20Minute article you linked:
<<Schutzmasken aus China für die Schweiz, die im Hamburger Hafen blockiert werden, sollen bald freigegeben werden. Das stellte Seco-Direktorin Marie-Gabrielle Ineichen-Fleisch am Mittwoch vor den Medien in Bern in Aussicht. Auch für Lastwagen, die Deutschland zurückhält, sei eine Lösung in Sicht.>>
Why is Germany blocking goods heading for Switzerland?!
Get the Swiss navy on the job, it'll be sorted out in no time.
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Re: Border closing between Ticino and Italy

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Yes you can. Especially popular at airports.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...d/index_de.htm

"Die meisten Mietwagenfirmen in der Schweiz bieten EU-Bürgern im Hinblick auf die Einhaltung der Zollvorschriften Autos mit EU-Kennzeichen an, aber Sie sollten sich vorher bei Ihrer Mietwagenfirma erkundigen."
3 years ago that was true at Geneva airport, for the last 2 years they are renting Swiss cars to everyone & say there is no longer an issue. I live in the EU & rent cars from Geneva to drive in France about 10 times a year.
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Re: Border closing between Ticino and Italy

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Because they a couple of days took on a new ruling that medical supplies and hygienic stuff like medical gloves is not allowed to be transported out of the country since they fear they might run out. Border patrol is following the rules.
Yea, very funny. Hijacking stuff Switzerland ordered. Germany should do their own planning.

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Get the Swiss navy on the job, it'll be sorted out in no time.
Yup, will do.
Is that why you're riding your bike around Switzerland so much? Still looking for the sea, are you?
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Yea, very funny. Hijacking stuff Switzerland ordered. Germany should do their own planning.


Yup, will do.
Is that why you're riding your bike around Switzerland so much? Still looking for the sea, are you?
Well I was planning on heading south for Easter on the bike, get a bit of the healthy sea air. Some lovely roads are empty of traffic as well.
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Get the Swiss navy on the job, it'll be sorted out in no time.
It's been sorted. The goods never actually arrived in Germany, they went to a bonded warehouse. Now enroute.
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