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There is one good thing :

You can delay your tax declaration until May 31st,2020 and there are no "betreibungen" until april 19 2020 .

Apart from that, bills keep on coming and have to be paid.
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I have lost my job, not to Coronavirus-19, just to business. You know that phrase when they call you in and say it's not personal, it's just business.

I have been losing my savings for the past 10 years, in the fall I will lose unemployment and than I will lose everything I have ever worked for as I need to sell everything I own simply to buy food.

I will slowly die too.
Ha, now I understand your comments - you failed for whatever reason, and it feels good to see others hitting the wall hard. A rather primitive stance, but thanks for honesty at the end, it took you a while. I guess there isn't much love for your parents, right?

Nobody has clue how much damage to society will be done, but everyone feels it will be massive. I am sure you realize that ie Hitler got to the power due to global crisis in 1929 (among other factors, but desperate folks voted for him and his talks about 'making germany great again'). Look at how much nationalism there was before this year.

But OK, you want to see the world burn so nature can rest and regenerate a bit. With that logic, mankind annihilation is the best possible outcome, the quicker the better. Not advancing science progress to fix the damage, rather eliminating the polluter from the equation.

People like you, with your primitive selfish views on the world make me sick. Unfortunately, you are not alone out there. I still have hope in mankind overall that these events will take the better of us, but there are some good lessons from the past to avoid when 'walking the valley of the shadow'.

I put hope mainly into 2 possible and hopefully achievable steps - quick and cheap testing to determine at any moment and location who has it and who doesn't, and some medicine (like chloroquine) that will make the critical state relatively fixable and survivable. And long term hope in vaccine(s).
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I'd like to hope that one real positive is that we are more prepared for any future pandemic which has a significantly greater death rate.
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Old 22.03.2020, 17:07
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Ha, now I understand your comments - you failed for whatever reason, and it feels good to see others hitting the wall hard. A rather primitive stance, but thanks for honesty at the end, it took you a while. I guess there isn't much love for your parents, right?



But OK, you want to see the world burn so nature can rest and regenerate a bit. With that logic, mankind annihilation is the best possible outcome, the quicker the better. Not advancing science progress to fix the damage, rather eliminating the polluter from the equation.

People like you, with your primitive selfish views on the world make me sick.
Although the OP lost me with the first sentence in the thread starter, I haven't read it in the same spirit as you.

We've all got the right to share our views. There's no need to make it so personal, is there?
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Ha, now I understand your comments - you failed for whatever reason, and it feels good to see others hitting the wall hard. A rather primitive stance, but thanks for honesty at the end, it took you a while. I guess there isn't much love for your parents, right?

Nobody has clue how much damage to society will be done, but everyone feels it will be massive. I am sure you realize that ie Hitler got to the power due to global crisis in 1929 (among other factors, but desperate folks voted for him and his talks about 'making germany great again'). Look at how much nationalism there was before this year.

But OK, you want to see the world burn so nature can rest and regenerate a bit. With that logic, mankind annihilation is the best possible outcome, the quicker the better. Not advancing science progress to fix the damage, rather eliminating the polluter from the equation.

People like you, with your primitive selfish views on the world make me sick. Unfortunately, you are not alone out there. I still have hope in mankind overall that these events will take the better of us, but there are some good lessons from the past to avoid when 'walking the valley of the shadow'.

I put hope mainly into 2 possible and hopefully achievable steps - quick and cheap testing to determine at any moment and location who has it and who doesn't, and some medicine (like chloroquine) that will make the critical state relatively fixable and survivable. And long term hope in vaccine(s).
Uncalled for. People can be let go from business’s for any number of restructures or mergers, in no way does it imply any level of personal failure and it’s pretty horrible thing to go through. And that piece about parents is almost reportable.
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Coron-19 has had a greater effect than anything that has preceeded it. Yes, there have been 13'000 deaths as 22nd March 2020, but the people affected by air polution are your kids not your parents, the later of whom have lived a full life already.

I love my parents, but awful as it sounds I love my kids more. If I had a choose, they would come first.

Coron-19 has forced all of us to take stock and to slow down. To give the planet a chance to breath.

I don't know OP's thought process and it is easy to interpret a sentence as having one meaning when the author had a completely different intention. We know that so far it is the elderly, our parents, who are the most vulnerable and more likely to die from this virus Is OP truly suggesting that their deaths can in any way be mitigated by the reduction in air pollution.

OP says that he loves his children more than his parents but I love my family equally and his comment struck me as callous especially on Mothers Day. He may have made choices in his mind already but nobody get to choose. The first item I saw on the UK news this morning was that an 18 year old had died of the virus.

I sincerely hope that there will be one silver lining in that Governments and each one of us will do our part to protect our planet and resources but this virus is a dreadful thing that brings nothing but misery to us all
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True. One of children had a class "confererence call" last Friday using Microsoft Teams.

All well and good but didn't work too well as the only one causing any problems was the teacher herself who had decided to put her microphone right next to her PC loudspeakers and so, because of the digital timelag, caused multiple echos of her own voice.
One needs to mute their computer if they dial-in with their phone. The proximty of phone to computer makes feedback and echoes. So mute the computer, or just dial-in using the computer alone.

Hope it helps...pass it on.
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I don't know OP's thought process and it is easy to interpret a sentence as having one meaning when the author had a completely different intention. We know that so far it is the elderly, our parents, who are the most vulnerable and more likely to die from this virus Is OP truly suggesting that their deaths can in any way be mitigated by the reduction in air pollution.
Come on. It's clear that the OP doesn't wish terror or death to people, especially the elderly or infirm. OP was referring to all the benefits of a society that reduces its footprint on the earth and slows down our individual activities to actually focus on life - not just keeping up with our rat race in society.

Let's face it - the activities of mankind act like a virus to the planet. It's poetic justice that the only thing (other than an asteroid colliding with the planet) that will slow this ambitious animal, called human, from destroying this planet is a virus.

Maybe this Corona virus could be a wake-up call for humanity. Couldn't governments now work together to reduce our collective environmental footprint? Obviously, they've recently considered that unending economic growth isn't everything...

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I'd like to hope that one real positive is that we are more prepared for any future pandemic which has a significantly greater death rate.
Yeah, right. How bad would this be if the death rate was >50%? Or it killed children and healthy adults....such a virus would set back humanity for centuries...

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Old 23.03.2020, 08:07
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Already done mine and sent it off.
Where's the smug smiley...

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Nobody has clue how much damage to society will be done, but everyone feels it will be massive.
I don't. So, not true.
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I'd like to hope that one real positive is that we are more prepared for any future pandemic which has a significantly greater death rate.
Seems likely. Lessons were learned from Swine Flu, and the current measures stem directly from that. The next pandemic will include lessons learned from this one.
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OP says that he loves his children more than his parents but I love my family equally and his comment struck me as callous especially on Mothers Day.
I love my kids more than my parents. I don't think that's callous or in anyway reprehensible. Seems normal to me (from my culture anyway).
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Old 23.03.2020, 08:30
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Re: Coron-19 a good thing

Anything good from Corona?
Well.
We could learn from it, but we won´t.
We could change our views, but we won´t.
We could recognize the damage to the environment... Hell no.
We could come together as a species against a common enemy. LOL.
There could be so many things we could do to ensure the next time won´t be too bad, but does anybody think that anything will change in the long run?
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But OK, you want to see the world burn so nature can rest and regenerate a bit. With that logic, mankind annihilation is the best possible outcome, the quicker the better. Not advancing science progress to fix the damage, rather eliminating the polluter from the equation.

People like you, with your primitive selfish views on the world make me sick.
I don't want to see the world burn and I am not primative or selfish. There are at least two nations trying their very best to build nuclear arsenals that they plan to use at the earlest excuse. Their leaders want the world to burn. They will kill your parents, the kids, your wife and you. Save your spite for them.

I am enjoying the peace that a common enemy seems to have helped the world focus. When this thing started to out, the world watched China, and offered help, some accepted, some not. As it as has spread across the planet China has reached out to offer help world in turn. Maybe it has happened before, but it is a rare thing.

The positive effect it is having on the environment. The positive effect it is having on some people. On communities at large. On nations. It is sad that the oldest generation are paying the highest price, although the irony of the fact that it is in the last 80 years that we're really gone to town in destroying the planet. And its sad but true we all seem to be getting more and more dishonest with each other and ourselves.

I searched for news about the 18 year who died, but found no details reported, and without details you can only speculate, which I am not going to be goated into doing.

In retorspect the title should have read the coronvirus-19 effect, a good thing. The virus isn't a good thing, but the overarching effect it is having on the planet, and the dominant species on it humans .... most certainly is. Its sad that the most vunerable population had to die to make people listen, but wait if coronvirus-19 did little more than give you a runny nose and a sore throat nobody would be listening... its sad that it has taken a deadly virus to bring us to our senses.
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I don't want to see the world burn and I am not primative or selfish. There are at least two nations trying their very best to build nuclear arsenals that they plan to use at the earlest excuse. Their leaders want the world to burn. They will kill your parents, the kids, your wife and you. Save your spite for them.

I am enjoying the peace that a common enemy seems to have helped the world focus. When this thing started to out, the world watched China, and offered help, some accepted, some not. As it as has spread across the planet China has reached out to offer help world in turn. Maybe it has happened before, but it is a rare thing.

The positive effect it is having on the environment. The positive effect it is having on some people. On communities at large. On nations. It is sad that the oldest generation are paying the highest price, although the irony of the fact that it is in the last 80 years that we're really gone to town in destroying the planet. And its sad but true we all seem to be getting more and more dishonest with each other and ourselves.

I searched for news about the 18 year who died, but found no details reported, and without details you can only speculate, which I am not going to be goated into doing.
Young people have of course died but in far lower propportions than old people. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...o-281-11962009

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In retorspect the title should have read the coronvirus-19 effect, a good thing. The virus isn't a good thing, but the overarching effect it is having on the planet, and the dominant species on it humans .... most certainly is. Its sad that the most vunerable population had to die to make people listen, but wait if coronvirus-19 did little more than give you a runny nose and a sore throat nobody would be listening... its sad that it has taken a deadly virus to bring us to our senses.
I know what you meant in the OP as I was able to read your post with context and common sense, but sadly most people can't, especially in these situations.

China may have reached out to help us know, as they should, but ultimately they were the source of the virus, made it worse by covering up the facts, and then started saying it was caused by American troops, so I doubt very much that they will get much goodwill long-term even if they help us. Their reputation worldwide is pretty much in tatters at the moment.

The good things that will likely result from COV19 are:
  • Change is business continuity practises with more home office infrastructure and flexibility for office employees
  • Improvement of pandemic response procedures in future when the next one arrives including more medical stockpiling
  • A new understanding of our environmental impact give the unique data we now have from industry/transport grinding to a halt
  • A widespread ban and tough enforcement in China on wildlife handling and sales
  • An understanding from the public that these things need to be taken seriously and that they need to listen to instructions and recommendations (this one is in doubt but we can live in hope)
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There might be a good long-term consequence: no more open plan offices
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There might be a good long-term consequence: no more open plan offices
Hah I don't mind them so much now that I have used one for the last year... but they should be cleaned daily and everyone really should have their own keyboard and mouse as sharing them is just gross!
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Anything good from Corona?
Well.
We could learn from it, but we won´t.
We could change our views, but we won´t.
We could recognize the damage to the environment... Hell no.
We could come together as a species against a common enemy. LOL.
There could be so many things we could do to ensure the next time won´t be too bad, but does anybody think that anything will change in the long run?
some won't, some will, it's called progress. Thoughts matter. some people working hard on it, teachers learning new methods to teach, people supporting small business by ordering from them instead of big stores, people doing groceries for neighbours, people realizing there's a need to protect the selbständig workers (some temporary grundeinkommen unterschriften going around), sewing communities helping hospitals sewing masks... Thoughts matter. Might not be as quick as you think, but things change. Imagine this a very very long simulation...
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I very much doubt much will change in the long run. Maybe one or two things here and there but at the moment our society is running on intertia and it will carry us through to the other side, then it´s buisness as usual.
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I very much doubt much will change in the long run. Maybe one or two things here and there but at the moment our society is running on intertia and it will carry us through to the other side, then it´s buisness as usual.
I have doubts too, but enough of us have to think business can't be as usual. That's what I meant thoughts matter. Big things (not necessarily good but can be good) are trying to happen, electric cars, solar-roofs, crypto (smart contracts, decentralized currencies), AI (maybe too long of a long run, but perhaps they can replace some of the work of frontline medics, for future pandemics). Of course some black mirror situation can happen too...
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We could come together as a species against a common enemy. LOL.
That would only happen in the face of an alien invasion. And even then, some politicians would be ensuring that the aliens were well supplied with good 'ol earth quality weapons.
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I like the signs and distancing at the cash registers. Hopefully they keep it after the virus has finished because many people here seem to struggle with the concept of personal space when lining up.
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Already done mine and sent it off.
Already got the bill!
Wish stock had dropped in December instead of now.
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