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That's mostly because China and India are on board.

That's easily 20-30% alone.

That said, the effectiveness of capital punishment as a deterrent has always been questionable.

Probably even more so in India, with many, many more people who have literally nothing to lose.
I never said or implied it is effective, it isn't just like serving lifetime isn't effective in preventing crimes from happening, another big problem is the burden of proof which way to often is taken to light, not to mention that one in some countries can be hung for things which is not even a fault or crime in my eyes.

But do I mind rapists hanging on a tree or on a crane, nope I don't the more the better.
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I think in a country like India I think that the death penalty is is the only logical way to punish such heinous crimes. The population is too massive to house in prisons and rapes are sadly too common for the beleaguered female population to simply give people light punishment and be free to do it again. I think it has to be seen as a capital and intolerable offence in order for the punishment to be anything approaching effective deterrent to such backwards mentalities. Fear of death is something that even the most barbaric of people understand.
If that were true there'd be many more murders in Europe, and crime rates would have been rising for the last 30-40 years instead of falling by some 50%.
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If it would prevent crime it be nice, but it doesn't, never has and never will.
Well, it defintely prevents re-offending
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Re: India - rape gang hanged

Unless certain prolific posters somehow regard Europeans as somehow less “barbaric”.

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If that were true there'd be many more murders in Europe, and crime rates would have been rising for the last 30-40 years instead of falling by some 50%.
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Well, it defintely prevents re-offending
Yup, also a very good point. How many serial killers, serial rapists or prolific child molesters would re-offend, and have re-offended, given the opportunity? You cannot "re-habiilitate" such people and nor should you waste resources trying to. Just remove them from the earth.

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If that were true there'd be many more murders in Europe, and crime rates would have been rising for the last 30-40 years instead of falling by some 50%.
No, they wouldn't 'have been rising for years'... that is flawed and simplistic logic. Overall crime rates can and will still fall in many of the more civilized and orderly countries due to the way their societies are progressing. However, the amount of murders and rapes etc still be of significance and evil people can still commit heinous acts deserving of capital punishment. They are not mutually exclusive.

Terrible things happen in every country, some far more than others, and I fully believe that some of the most heinous crimes that are committed deserve death in order to ensure that this person is never able to escape or re-offend or to even feel some joy and comfort in life as many do in prisons when they become institutionalized. "All life is precious" is such a BS phrase that has never, and likely never will be, grounded in reality. The life of a mass murderer, serial rapist etc has no value in my eyes and it's my belief that they can never be redeemed or hope to compensate for the damage and destruction to so many lives that they have caused. Death does not undo the wrongs that were committed by said criminals during the most heinous crimes, but it is final and I believe that fear of death, of ceasing to exist, is the most primal instinct that we as a species have encoded into our DNA and collective phsyche.

To be clear, I see capital punishment as fitting only for the worst repeat offenders of what I consider the worst crimes in society that I listed above.

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Can't even stomach the thought.
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Always beats me when people think death penalty is the answer to crime, I see it more as an answer on how to prevent some people from ever roaming the streets again or needing millions of tax money to be stored away for the rest of their life.

If it would prevent crime it be nice, but it doesn't, never has and never will.
I think in a case like this the death penalty has as much to do with ritualised revenge, atonement and closure as it has to do with actual persuasion and deterence .

I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. Just saying it as an observation .
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I wonder if the existence of death penalty has something to do with funding of prisons, availability, etc. And should public decide on this or not. Is it more ethical/religious question of cultural values and perception of justice, or finances.
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Old 05.04.2020, 11:37
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Re: India - rape gang hanged

Something like out of Liquid Sky should be the answer
https://youtu.be/S9-n9gpFVpk
https://youtu.be/HJlSfCi9rTY

Then in the dreadful event of rape, at least the rapist will disappear for good.

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I think in a case like this the death penalty has as much to do with ritualised revenge, atonement and closure as it has to do with actual persuasion and deterence .

I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. Just saying it as an observation .
This has been the subject of much debate. Punishment for a crime is generally defined as an objective activity fitting a crime, and revenge is a subjective and irrational emotion carried out by an individual. In the end, I think punishment should fit the crime. For extreme crimes, extreme punishment such as execution is in my view appropriate.

We like to believe that we are a super liberal and moral society and yet some of our countries still sell arms to countries where our governments KNOW that they are in the end used against civilians. We go and invade the middle east on false pretenses. These actions inevitably result in countless innocent civilian deaths and millions of displacements. Basically, our unwanted interventions and interference have resulted in the apocalypse for the places we have been to, as we have seen in Iraq and Syria. That's ok for us to stomach... but the thought of capital punishment of individuals that HAVE (barring any unfortunate travesties of justice where the wrong person was convicted) committed heinous crimes isn't?

Lets not be self-delusional hypocrites who pretend that all life is precious and should automatically be put on a pedestal, when evidence to the contrary is all around us.
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There was a case in 2000 of 8 year old Sarah Payne who was abducted in the UK countryside and just came up on my newsfeed as Channel 5 are planning a documentary. Her killer, Roy Whiting, was already on the Sex Offender list having spent 4 years in jail for sexually assaulting a 9 year old.
I firmly believe this depraved monster should have been executed shortly after conviction.

Would it have given the devastated family closure, only they would have the answer to that, but it would have been final. Already this monster has successfully appealed his sentence of 50 years and is now eligible for release when he is 82. Who knows what will happen 20 years from now and if he will ever walk the street again, a danger to other innocent children. Death penalty means that would never be a concern.
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"The government in Somalia has condemned the abduction and rape of two girls aged just three and four.

The doctor in charge of the hospital where they are being treated says they need major surgery.

An official said several arrests had been made following the attack which happened on Wednesday.

The parents say that the two cousins were walking home from school in Afgoye, close to the capital, Mogadishu.

They were seized by men who took them away and sexually assaulted them.

Their parents desperately searched the neighbourhood and found them alone the following day.

BBC World Service Africa editor Will Ross says the fact that the girls are aged just three and four has added to the shock in Somalia where reports of rape have increased in recent years.

It is thought that such horrific crimes have long been taking place but people are now more aware of the need to publicise the incidents in order to bring about change, he says."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-52172609

Do NOT try and tell me these monsters don't deserve execution.
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I think in a case like this the death penalty has as much to do with ritualised revenge, atonement and closure as it has to do with actual persuasion and deterence .

I’m not saying that’s right or wrong. Just saying it as an observation .
Off course it has, different cultures, different habits and often different reasons to do certain things.

And tbh I think death penalty is a less harsh punishment than a lifetime in a Indian prison.
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Do NOT try and tell me these monsters don't deserve execution.
We need to find out how they have been raised and what problems they have due to this that are not their fault to understand why they came to this, I mean people are not born this way, it is us as a society who made them like this and therefor they deserve treatment and a second chance.

Nah, sarcasm. But a lot of people in our society seem to have more and more trouble to accept that some people just are rotten to the core and don't give a shit about anybody else. They should be hanged and left to rot while the birds feed on them.
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Well, it defintely prevents re-offending
My usually well-informed source tells me that this rumor has been debunked two thousand years ago.
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My usually well-informed source tells me that this rumor has been debunked two thousand years ago.
Still hasn't returned.
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What if they weren’t actually the perpetrators of the crime ?
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Well he was a domestic terrorist and a political agitator.
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Nah, sarcasm. But a lot of people in our society seem to have more and more trouble to accept that some people just are rotten to the core and don't give a shit about anybody else. They should be hanged and left to rot while the birds feed on them.
Yes, some of them really are. There's no way of sugar-coating it. Some "monsters" never get caught, or punished btw. Sometimes it's the wrong people who get caught. That can happen too.

Yet, though I totally get the feeling, I don't agree with medieval punishments. It says more about us than about "them". It's a slippery slope.
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Re: India - rape gang hanged

Societies where dominate concept "winner takes it all" have much bigger problems with violent crimes. Combine it with political concepts where you exclude masses from effective political participation and you get 2nd class countries, like India, USA or, in our neighborhood, many Arab countries, all of them with huge violent outbreaks. Rapes are just one of the pinnacles, usually connected with traditional views, where women are more a property than humans.
Obviously death penalty doesn't have enough deterrent effect to prevent those crimes, but it's a simple solution, and simple minds like simple solutions.
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