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Old 21.03.2020, 21:26
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Re: Flew out without my B Permit!

One real-world experience to share; one child flew home to Switzerland from UK on friday with BA, could not check in on line, had to go to the airport and be checked in by a real person.


Three separate verifications that he was legal to fly to Switzerland; before getting a boarding card, at security and then again at the boarding gate. Airline does not want the risk of having to do a repatriation if rejected at Swiss boarder.
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Old 22.03.2020, 01:22
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Old 22.03.2020, 02:05
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Switzerland immigration services (according to RTS news today 15:00) have turned back 16'000 people up to Saturday and 5'000 of them in the last two days as they have started shutting down the borders. It did not mention if this was just border crossings or also airports.

If you are hoping to get back into CH, I would try to do so in the next couple of days or your risk of being refused (even with a permit) will go up exponentially. You do not mention if you are single. If so, your chances are even lower since you can stay in the UK without any downside for a family structure in CH.
he's going to have issues, but anyway those 5000 were apparently mostly trying to cross at the green borders or at closed secondary crossings.
So now they're taking out the helicopters to increase surveillance in the forest.
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Old 22.03.2020, 12:21
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Switzerland immigration services (according to RTS news today 15:00) have turned back 16'000 people up to Saturday and 5'000 of them in the last two days as they have started shutting down the borders. It did not mention if this was just border crossings or also airports.

If you are hoping to get back into CH, I would try to do so in the next couple of days or your risk of being refused (even with a permit) will go up exponentially. You do not mention if you are single. If so, your chances are even lower since you can stay in the UK without any downside for a family structure in CH.
I flew into ZRH yesterday. The authorities there are turning back some people, at least according to the guy that helped me. He said that Europeans were returning from abroad to any airport that was still open, even if the borders were closed to get out, hoping at least they'd be one step closer to home.

BTW no questions, no temperature check. I guess since nearly everything is shut, they figure I'll be at home anyway for the next few weeks.
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Old 22.03.2020, 12:43
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Re: Flew out without my B Permit!

I know it’s going to cost you, but can’t you have someone fedex-it to you?
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Old 22.03.2020, 13:37
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Call the Swiss embassy in the UK and ask if they can help?
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I know it’s going to cost you, but can’t you have someone fedex-it to you?
Just my thoughts. If there's a family member in CH or if anyone has a key to your residence, get them to retrieve it and send it to you by courier. The courienr companies do not accept Passports but a B permit should be ok.
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A friend only had a copy of her residence permit. Was due to fly Friday Gatwick to Zurich. Easy Jet refused to fly her. Even though copy of permit should be ok.
Flew the next day EasyJet Gatwick to Geneva
Friend had to pay for hotel herself.
I dont think a copy of the residence permit is ok..
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Old 23.03.2020, 07:14
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Re: Flew out without my B Permit!

Would a Cumulus card not do?
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Old 23.03.2020, 07:53
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Would a Cumulus card not do?
Not for airline staff in the UK! That is the problem. If the OP can get to an open border s/he likely can get in with what's in their wallets.

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Old 23.03.2020, 10:01
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Re: Flew out without my B Permit!

I was in this EXACT position yesterday.

British Citizen, B permit... but only had a scan with me as I usually leave it in the safe.

In Heathrow, they check my scan and are happy with that. ONce I land in Basel, before passport control, just after the moving walkway, there were two French border guards. Both were wearing surgical masks, and a French uniform. As their ID badges were under their jackets, I was unable to read their names or IDs, so I’m afraid I shall refer to them as “Left” and “Right” – for the position they were standing in respectively when coming off the walkway.

Right was a little younger than Left, and I assume junior, as when I showed him my (British) passport, Swiss driving license, scan of my residence permit on my phone and printed photocopy of my Swiss residence permit; he asked “left” what to do. I was asked where my original was, to which I replied that I left this at home, but that my girlfriend (at the airport outside the arrivals area) had it. Left said I needed to wait until they could bring me to the Swiss guards, which I accepted. As the flight disembarked, a small group of people, in a similar situation, gathered there.

Eventually, a gentleman arrived from the same flight, in the same position as us – British passport holder, with a scan of his B residence permit on his phone. Left waived him through saying that was fine. Right asked him why he didn’t stop him, and that everyone else had the same documents. Left said that the man was older, so was ok to pass.

At this point, I asked Left (in French) why two different standards were being applied. Surely age-based discrimination was not a valid reason to allow certain people to enter Switzerland vs others. If the Swiss had to check our documents, then surely the same rule would apply to all of us, regardless of age. At this point, Left got angry and told me (in a raised voice) that he was in charge, that I was making his job more complicated as he needed to walk with us to the Swiss authorities to check my documents, and that if I said anything else, he would put me back on the plane and send me back to the UK. At that point, (having spent the former two days on repatriation flights) I opted not to ask any further questions. I translated for a British couple who didn’t speak French, and as she started getting upset, her boyfriend got worried they too would be sent back despite being Swiss residents, so opted to keep quiet.

I would like to qualify that at no point I raised my voice, acted rudely or aggressively.

After our group got brought to the Swiss border officials, they waived us through after checking the copies/scans of the residence permits. The Swiss border guards were very professional, and went through the documents and then passed us through.

So the summary is - a photocopy was fine for me; as long as you deal with the Swiss border guards.

The funny part is, right later told me that if I had said I was just going to France, they would have let me through without even checking my Swiss permit as the French border allows people back... and this check was before luggage control where you then decide which door to exit from (i.e. which country to enter).
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Re: Flew out without my B Permit!

should be fine. i think...
i once traveled to Italy and forgot to bring passport. Almost couldnt board the airplane. but they let me in anyway.
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Old 24.03.2020, 11:02
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should be fine. i think...
i once traveled to Italy and forgot to bring passport. Almost couldnt board the airplane. but they let me in anyway.

That was probably a while ago. Different times now, very different times.....
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Re: Flew out without my B Permit!

The swiss goverment has adjusted the rules for arriving in switzerland, now tourists are not allowed to enter the country, even when you want to attend a conference, you are not allowed to enter switzerland.
Only swiss, people with a permit (C, B, L or G), specialists , or offical visitors are allowed to cross the border
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Old 25.03.2020, 19:17
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The courienr companies do not accept Passports but a B permit should be ok.
I didn't know that.

Swiss Post does allow passports to be posted. Mine took 3 working days to get to the UK using their recommande service.
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I didn't know that.

Swiss Post does allow passports to be posted. Mine took 3 working days to get to the UK using their recommande service.
It can’t be true.

Passports are always sent back from the passport office by DHL.
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Old 25.03.2020, 20:53
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It can’t be true.

Passports are always sent back from the passport office by DHL.
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You said

You may be talking at cross purposes ...
You think courriers accept passports from the UK to Switzerland but not from Switzerland to the UK?

The original list by nyonnais specified that courriers don’t accept passports and that is clearly not the case as they are always sent by courrier from the UK passport office. I should maybe have quoted nyonnais’ post in my reply as that was what I was referring to.
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Old 25.03.2020, 21:15
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Re: Flew out without my B Permit!

I'm confused. I've taken 20 or so flights per year for the last 35 without ever taking my permit. Is this a requirement? I'm now Swiss, so a belated question😉
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Old 25.03.2020, 21:36
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I'm confused. I've taken 20 or so flights per year for the last 35 without ever taking my permit. Is this a requirement? I'm now Swiss, so a belated question😉
It's a requirement at this very moment. With a few expections, only Swiss nationals and holder of a Swiss permit are allowed to travel to Switzerland.

Plus, for countries needing a visa to enter Schengen/Switzerland, it's definitely a requirement at all times.

If you fly from Berlin to Zürich in normal times, no one will bait an eye. If you fly from London to Zürich with a EU passport in normal times (but living in Switzerland), no one will bat an eye either about your missing permit (since it's not required to enter the country).

But if you fly from London to Zürich without a Swiss passport or without a Swiss permit right now, it's no deal for you. Or no flight.

And the question is, whetever they'll accept some electronic copy of it. They most certainly don't have to.

Maybe a fun story not completely unrelated to this topic, but quite a bit.

A few years ago, a friend of mine was supposed to fly from Zürich abroad. His train broke down, and when he finally got onto the replacement, his arrival time into ZRH airport would be 40min before departure. Online checkin didn't worked. His arrival time would have been too late to make the cut-off time. No baggage.

With still some time to spare till his flight, I received his call. I quickly went to the airport, living nearby, with a quickly sent copy of his passport. Explained at the checkin what's the matter, and actually got boarding passes. He would still have to get checked on entry allowance at the gate later on, but that wasn't an issue.

Arrived at the airport, was through security within 10min after the train opened it's doors and into the aircraft another 10min later, not even being the last person.

Sometimes, a simply copy does work, even a passport copy sent quickly through whatsapp, even when checking in someone else. Sometimes it won't. It's a bit down to luck, the mood of the person manning the checkin counter, and probably your appearance/status member of the airline, etc.

Back to the situation here, I'd give this a good chance to work, but arrive early on. Even if the airports hardly see passengers/queues, this might require a few calls and checks. I'd arrive at least 2hrs prior to departure to make room for those.
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