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Re: Sounds Like Age Discrimination

Do you really think you are the only one? Really?

I'd like the barrier to be put at 70, OH would like it to be at 75, my friend thinks it should be at 80, my brother would prefer 85- and my friend thinks 90+ should be the limit.

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Old 23.03.2020, 19:05
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Do you really think you are the only one? Really?

I'd like the barrier to be put at 70, OH would like it to be at 75, my friend thinks it should be at 80, my brother would prefer 85- and my friend thinks 90+ should be the limit.
I keep this simple and as most here know do I like facts.

Death rate of corona patients
under 40: 0.2%
40-49: 0,4%
50-59: 1,3%
60-69: 3,6%
70-79: 8,0%
over 80: 14,8%

Its not discrimination but a safety precaution. A damn necessary one. 15% death rate is damn high.

Source: https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/...b-d3dc546faa98
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Old 23.03.2020, 19:06
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Agreed - my point entirely.
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Old 23.03.2020, 19:16
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Re: Sounds Like Age Discrimination

However, after having posted a rather flippant comment myself about elderly people ambling around the other day, I would like you to know that people do feel for you. I understand the reasons but it must be a difficult message to hear. I myself am below 65, but did a double take when WHO said everyone over 60 should just stay home.

The reasoning is to protect you and your wife and all of us, as sadly us older group are more likely to take up vital hospital resources. It's not age discrimination more protection of those above a certain age.
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Old 23.03.2020, 19:31
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Re: Sounds Like Age Discrimination

I know I’m being surly, but what people care about, and rightly so, are the resources being used, the lack of staff and equipment. To be honest, it‘s more about that than protecting anyone. And I’m more comfortable looking at it that way.

I watched my father spend nearly 6 months on a ventilator. If he‘d had a DNR in place (do not resuscitate ) he would have just died when he coded. He was 80 and in much worse health than I, but I’m giving it serious thought myself.
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Old 23.03.2020, 19:45
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Re: Sounds Like Age Discrimination

If you want to go out again, don't go out again.

P.S. Not my message, heard it from some official bigwig.
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It is my understanding that (in Ticino) people over the age of 65 are no longer allowed to shop for groceries. As if this is not enough, they are also not allowed on the bus or train systems. Neither allowed to leave they're homes so as to walk outside. Obviously, they have been "unofficially quarantined". Can anyone give me a logical and reasonable explanation for this?
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Re: Sounds Like Age Discrimination

The death rate is one thing, the infection rate is another.
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Old 23.03.2020, 20:36
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lol, my kids are 47 and 45 - they would remember this very clearly
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I'm not 40 yet and I totally get that
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Old 23.03.2020, 20:54
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I was using those until at least 1995. My kids understand it as well, and they're not even 25.
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Do you really think you are the only one? Really?

I'd like the barrier to be put at 70, OH would like it to be at 75, my friend thinks it should be at 80, my brother would prefer 85- and my friend thinks 90+ should be the limit.
And the UK government has set it to 70 (although hold my breath there), so that they can bring back all retirees into the NHS, without any risk at all of them being infected or being in a high risk category because they once happened to work for the NHS and, after all, it all seems to be in the War effort. We will wear poppy’s for them one day, and all will have been worth it.
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Old 23.03.2020, 21:26
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So, mods, what’s the limit on different posts for the same subject?
Guess you mean threads. Have to agree, there appears to be no effort really.
Hope that changes, as they appear to all be in the highest risk categories (next), of being either American or from the UK (and yes I do know that is not true, at least when it comes to the mods).

Is there not a single serious thread that is allowed on EF on this topic (Corona).

Am not looking forward to counting the soon to be deaths in the UK or the US for one, but seems that there are many that will be having their fun in it.
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Guess you mean threads. Have to agree, there appears to be no effort really.
Hope that changes, as they appear to all be in the highest risk categories (next), of being either American or from the UK (and yes I do know that is not true, at least when it comes to the mods).

Is there not a single serious thread that is allowed on EF on this topic (Corona).

Am not looking forward to counting the soon to be deaths in the UK or the US for one, but seems that there are many that will be having their fun in it.
Gallows humour is a thing, and it helps some people at times like these. Going into every thread and declaring that it must be kept the way you want it comes off a little self centered. If you only want dry information, stick to the news and official twitter feeds.
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Re: Sounds Like Age Discrimination

Its obvious why it starts at 65. Any younger and they would lose their workers. Such discrimination.
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Gallows humour is a thing, and it helps some people at times like these. Going into every thread and declaring that it must be kept the way you want it comes off a little self centered. If you only want dry information, stick to the news and official twitter feeds.
You completely have ignored the reason for my post.

There are (were) other active threads on EF that were concentrated on spreading good information to an English speaking community that might be struggling during these times. For example, this one:

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...-helpline.html

tbh., it’s the ignorance going around that not only frightens me, but apparently also entire populations such as in the US. Imagine that.

Some of the threads have been informative, others there for fun and exchange of opinions. Some manage to combine both really, really well.

I would personally have liked to see EF managing to make an English speaking resource for good info. There has been about 2 good attempts as far as I can see. In combination with the above, the only other was MC’s thread:

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...us-crisis.html

But for the life of me can’t use the EF search function to find this anymore.

No-one is going to go to the “Corona virus” thread if they are looking for good advice in English (or even a bit of light entertainment, also so desperately needed during these times of containment for many. Such a thread, or method of pulling together differing types of Corona threads under different areas is simply missing (currently).
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You completely have ignored the reason for my post.

There are (were) other active threads on EF that were concentrated on spreading good information to an English speaking community that might be struggling during these times. For example, this one:

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...-helpline.html

tbh., it’s the ignorance going around that not only frightens me, but apparently also entire populations such as in the US. Imagine that.

Some of the threads have been informative, others there for fun and exchange of opinions. Some manage to combine both really, really well.

I would personally have liked to see EF managing to make an English speaking resource for good info. There has been about 2 good attempts as far as I can see. In combination with the above, the only other was MC’s thread:

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...us-crisis.html

But for the life of me can’t use the EF search function to find this anymore.

No-one is going to go to the Corona virus thread if they are looking for good advice in English (or even a bit of light entertainment, also so desperately needed during these times of containment for many. Such a thread, or method pulling together differing types of Corona threads under different areas is simply missing (currently).
It be nice if there would be one topic that only allows info on press releases and news articles and where every other posting would be deleted.
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It is my understanding that (in Ticino) people over the age of 65 are no longer allowed to shop for groceries. As if this is not enough, they are also not allowed on the bus or train systems. Neither allowed to leave they're homes so as to walk outside. Obviously, they have been "unofficially quarantined". Can anyone give me a logical and reasonable explanation for this?
Unfortunately, posts like this are exactly why 65 year olds have been told to stay indoors. If by now, this far into a pandemic situation where we have been getting constant news reports and updates, you do not understand what and why the risks are, then you probably do need to be told what is good for you.

The elderly in my family in the UK were also in complete denial about the situation and until the lockdown were putting themselves at increased risk by constantly going out. It was very stressful and worrying.
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It is my understanding that (in Ticino) people over the age of 65 are no longer allowed to shop for groceries. As if this is not enough, they are also not allowed on the bus or train systems. Neither allowed to leave they're homes so as to walk outside. Obviously, they have been "unofficially quarantined". Can anyone give me a logical and reasonable explanation for this?
Older folks need to be protected from COVID-19. Keep in mind that social distancing measures for the young are also ultimately intended to protect the old (mostly). Bars, restaurants, gyms etc. are closed to that the disease spreads more slowly and the healthcare system doesn't collapse, which is particularly good for those more endangered.

In my view, seniors around the world will take a bit longer to come out of quarantine. Once the curve flattens, it's unlikely that they'll release the lockdown for everybody at once. Those who already went through the disease or those at less risk will go back to normality first. Otherwise we might faced an explosion in the number of cases all over again. We were all quarantined at once, but we may only go back to normality progressively.
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It is my understanding that (in Ticino) people over the age of 65 are no longer allowed to shop for groceries. As if this is not enough, they are also not allowed on the bus or train systems. Neither allowed to leave they're homes so as to walk outside. Obviously, they have been "unofficially quarantined". Can anyone give me a logical and reasonable explanation for this?
Since the majority responses are "duh, if you don't know then you're dumb", I'll explain for you.

Older people are more likely to need ICU if they fall sick of covid-19. Let's assume death rate (above) is actually the ICU rate.
1000 infected people under 40 will take up 2 beds. (0.2%)
1000 infected people between 70 and 79 will take up 80 beds. (8%).

There's about 900 ICU beds in Switzerland. If all of the 11'000 current cases were 70-79, they'd be pretty much filled.

Ergo - older people must stay away from shops and public transport, so as to protect the rest of us from an over-stretched health service. We must keep them away from sources of infection for our own good.

I do not see any logical reason why older people who avoid going near anyone should not be permitted outside to exercise; I would have thought the risk would be negligible.

It is ageist, 65 is arbitrary. But that's the situation we find ourselves in.
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