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Go nowhere near far enough 12 15.79%
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Go a bit too far 2 2.63%
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

you're ??
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It's not though.
It's not overpopulated if you think purely in overly simplistic terms of landmass available per person.

However, it's overpopulated in the respect that we consume far more from the Earth to support us than we can sustainably replace. It's also overpopulated in the respect that the space we need to support our ever-increasing populations (cities, dwellings, agriculture) encroaches ever-further on the territories of native wildlife, ultimately causing loss of habitat, migratory routes and ultimately depopulation and (mass) extinctions.

If we cannot comfortably and sustainably support a worldwide population without the imbalance of adversely impacting everything around us then it can be reasonably defined as overpopulated. The worlds population is only increasing as is the space needed to contain it and the resources needed to sustain it, so all of these problems can only get worse at least for the forseeable future.

It's overpopulated.
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Old 30.03.2020, 12:38
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It's not overpopulated if you think purely in overly simplistic terms of landmass available per person.

However, it's overpopulated in the respect that we consume far more from the Earth to support us than we can sustainably replace. It's also overpopulated in the respect that the space we need to support our ever-increasing populations (cities, dwellings, agriculture) encroaches ever-further on the territories of native wildlife, ultimately causing loss of habitat, migratory routes and ultimately depopulation and (mass) extinctions.

If we cannot comfortably and sustainably support a worldwide population without the imbalance of adversely impacting everything around us then it can be reasonably defined as overpopulated. The worlds population is only increasing as is the space needed to contain it and the resources needed to sustain it, so all of these problems can only get worse at least for the forseeable future.

It's overpopulated.

I hope the people that think Earth is overpopulated have no kids
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Old 30.03.2020, 12:52
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Are you referring to current restrictions today?
Same question I have. Generally speaking, too many restrictions which goes back to a recurring discussion I have with friends/family back in the US about documents/papers and being barred/restricted from travel to certain areas of the world

I look at Iran for example and it's ludicrous to me that people who are born there are somehow prevented from traveling anywhere they'd like to - if they have the money for the travel. It's a bit insane IMHO.

As for the current situation, relying on a person's good sense depends of course on where you live. In the US/UK that might be harder to achieve without legal restrictions & enforcements. Here, a fine might be enough to get people to comply

In China & much of southeast Asia, they learned from SARS to be prepared for a repeat and perhaps that facilitated better compliance without the need for anything over the top. Ultimately, all countries will learn a lot about how ready they are for the next outbreak. En Suisse, hopefully they will look into how they can better align at the Federal level when needed to have all cantons moving in the same direction & at the same time
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I hope the people that think Earth is overpopulated have no kids
Me too, in the areas that are densely overpopulated. Like for example Mexico, where you are from. https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapJourn...5d0b3d2e89a045
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And it is why wearing a mask is a good idea, to filter at least some of the droplets on their way in, or out, and then dispose of the paper of the mask. Then wash your hands. For a good article on the science on masks, see https://www.englishforum.ch/3165053-post52.html
Sounds good until you realise that the premise is simply false. But why let reality come in the way of a good story you knew to be true all along.

And no, the article is not proof, it's an ordinary opinion piece like your post or mine. No more, no less, not even remotely proof.

Besides, nobody sewing their masks will dispose of them, or wash them at 95°, after only 1-2 hours use. Assuming the fabric is suitable for 95° in the first place, usually the more colorful the less they are.
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Me too, in the areas that are densely overpopulated. Like for example Mexico, where you are from. https://www.arcgis.com/apps/MapJourn...5d0b3d2e89a045
So, it's OK for some people to have kids but others not? What's the exact criteria? Could you further explain please?
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I hope the people that think Earth is overpopulated have no kids
Actually we have two .
The china one child policy had a certain cold logic to it that is popular in Westminster at the moment.
A two child policy might actually have helped the chinese control their population more successfully.
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A two child policy might actually have helped the chinese control their population more successfully.
That's what it was, kind of, as you got a 2nd try if your first child was a girl.
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The china one child policy had a certain cold logic to it that is popular in Westminster at the moment.

Surely you're not referring to the PM who will shortly have 6 or 7 children (8 if rumours are to be believed) by 3 or 4 (or 5) different mothers?
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Sounds good until you realise that the premise is simply false. But why let reality come in the way of a good story you knew to be true all along.

And no, the article is not proof, it's an ordinary opinion piece like your post or mine. No more, no less, not even remotely proof.

Besides, nobody sewing their masks will dispose of them, or wash them at 95°, after only 1-2 hours use. Assuming the fabric is suitable for 95° in the first place, usually the more colorful the less they are.
I do wonder if there's a psychological aspect to it that in some ways helps both the wearer and anyone they come into contact with. You "feel" safer even though maybe that's not really the case. I can't fault people for wanting to feel a bit better or safer. Psychology is a powerful thing.
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Surely you're not referring to the PM who will shortly have 6 or 7 children (8 if rumours are to be believed) by 3 or 4 (or 5) different mothers?
Proper white trash?
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Proper white trash?
It's a good job Jeremy Kyle's not on anymore. The could have devoted a series to him.
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If you take Switzerland, the kids will pay our pension (AHV) as we do now for the pensioner. So logically every couple should have two.

Anyone out there who's got three? Oh goodie, I'm covered.
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Just read this from BBC's Katya Adler ...

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So, use cash, and don't carry your phone with you.

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So, use cash, and don't carry your phone with you.

Tom
Yep, this. Leaving my phone at home already is a habit some of my friends highly dislike.
The ad did say "with their permission" though. If one is a busy bee, it's kind of nice if the phone- and credit-card company does the job of remembering for you.
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My wife told me she saw something on local news that Swisscom is alerting authorities via cell phone tracking whenever >5 phones are in close proximity to one another. What could go wrong?
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My wife told me she saw something on local news that Swisscom is alerting authorities via cell phone tracking whenever >5 phones are in close proximity to one another. What could go wrong?
What if there are 12 people (4 Swisscom clients, 4 Salt and 4 Sunrise)?
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My wife told me she saw something on local news that Swisscom is alerting authorities via cell phone tracking whenever >5 phones are in close proximity to one another. What could go wrong?
Oh no .. That would be my house right now.. Six phones in one place!
I can hear the helicopter hovering above.


What I read is that each cell operator is providing anonymous detail on where there are groups of large numbers of phones.. To show a trend, it is previous days data .. So I don't think we are being tracked, by name, real time - or anything like that.

Most countries are doing similar.

Edit > They already used the data in the press conference Thurs or Fri to say that in general, people are moving 50% less than before hence they would not tighten the restrictions..
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