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Old 28.03.2020, 10:29
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Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

Following this https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/opinion...virus/45638798 opinion poll, I wondered what the feeling in EF was concerning measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

Are you referring to current restrictions today?
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

I am fine with a temporary limitation in personal movement and freedom, if the powers that govern us do it for the right reasons and genuinely feel that it benefits everyone by limiting the spread and impact of a pandemic.

I mean really... why would anyone in their right mind have a problem with that?
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Old 28.03.2020, 11:10
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

If they want to limit the movements more they should go for it. It wont affect me personally as im only getting out of the house togo to the supermarket and to work anyway. Cant work from home unfortunately.
But i have seen mostly young people out and about ignoring all recommendations....
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Old 28.03.2020, 11:23
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

Restrictions on movement are OK as long it's possible to get food deliveries. The trouble we're having is that we can't book any sort of Coop delivery -- even a month ahead. Permanent zero availability. We have now finally got a Migros delivery booked -- only 3 more weeks to wait! Who knows what we'll actually receive.

I don't want to sound ungrateful -- these guys must be under massive pressure and I don't envy them. But I'm making the point that temporary, severely curtailed personal movement is fine as long as we're actually able to live OK at home. As it is, we're going to have to venture out to a supermarket in the next few days, which might easily negate all our efforts to self-isolate in the past 2 weeks.
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

I get the feeling new measures will come in with more limitations. So for me the results, limited as they are reflect this view.

Nice sunny day here. If you are nervous about shopping then make up a crude face mask if you cannot get one. Better then nothing and it may make you feel better about it all.

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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

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Are you referring to current restrictions today?
Yes.
  • Closure of schools, restaurants and shops selling non-essential goods
  • A ban on public and private gatherings of more than five people
  • Keeping 2m distance from people in another household.
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

I think it is all justified but should have happened earlier. I also think that it will become a bit stricter for a brief moment. Considering the lives it saves, including those who are not considered to be in the risk cathegory (but are or will get exposed) it is all justified. But don't want to imagine the economical aftermath and job market afterwards. Opportunism that comes from this kind of catastrophy seems even nastier that a generic type of opportunism.
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I am fine with a temporary limitation in personal movement and freedom, if the powers that govern us do it for the right reasons and genuinely feel that it benefits everyone by limiting the spread and impact of a pandemic.

I mean really... why would anyone in their right mind have a problem with that?
I only travel by walking or personal transport, and meet no one while travelling between A and B, how is that spreading anything?

Public transport, sure, I see a problem, but people who ride scooters while wearing face masks?

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Following this https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/opinion...virus/45638798 opinion poll, I wondered what the feeling in EF was concerning measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement
Personal freedom versus the right to life....
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

Oh dear, I can't do what I want which happens to kill other people.
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I only travel by walking or personal transport, and meet no one while travelling between A and B, how is that spreading anything?
I never said it was, numbnuts.
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

In legal terms the underlying principle is 'Verhältnismässigkeit' - Proportionality. If an infection is spread by close contact of human beings, then according to the principle of proportionality all measures which prevent close contact of human beings are 'legal'. The restrictions applying right now in Switzerland do exactly that...and not more. I am very grateful to live in a country with a government that understands the principles of law, but allows me to go hiking, cycling or jogging on my own for as long as I please. I in turn will do everything to protect those around me from being at risk. In my opinion this is the essence of being a responsible free citizen.
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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

My daughter has friends who were fined the other day for traveling to another district within the canton (from Lugano to Locarno, by car), which for me is clearly absurd!

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Re: Measures that limit one's personal freedom of movement

@Tom, this is an application of the principle of subsidiarity. With other words: The federal authorities are allowing local authorities (Ticino) to apply restrictions which may not make sense from a logical point of view, but which are tolerated by the federal authorities to some extent for reasons of 'Föderalismus'. If there is a local need to do that -fine. On the other hand you have the example of France where Paris dictates that people may not go jogging outside a 1Km radius of their home - that restriction applies to everyone. Even to people in remote rural areas.

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Does this mean if I drive from Basel to Zurich to see a friend I can get fined?
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My daughter has friends who were fined the other day for traveling to another district within the canton (from Lugano to Locarno, by car), which for me is clearly absurd!

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Were the all members of the same household having lived togeather for the past several weeks and undertaking essential travel? If not then proper order.
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Does this mean if I drive from Basel to Zurich to see a friend I can get fined?
Based on Jim's clear post: Would you be undertaking travel that is essential?
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Based on Jim's clear post: Would you be undertaking travel that is essential?
Well it would be checking his well being (he has no family or friends here) and taking him for a big shop in the car.

This is why ambiguous rules make an ass out of us all... in France, Spain et al its clear
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Well it would be checking his well being (he has no family or friends here) and taking him for a big shop in the car.

This is why ambiguous rules make an ass out of us all... in France, Spain et al its clear
They likely just have to apply some common sense on a case-by-case basis. Is your friend is elderly and unable to look after himself adequately? If so then I guess it may be considered 'essential'.
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