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Stolen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

So, few days ago a friend's bike was stolen.
She made a report to the police.
A day later she found someone is selling bike looking exactly like her on Fb marketplace. She reported this to the police.
Police doesn't want to check the seller, saying she doesn't have a proof of ownership.
It's an old bike, she said it was in family for a long time. Bike is modified (handlebar tape etc). She has many pictures of herself and the bike. She showed them to the police.
What are her options? Legal of course.
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Old 17.04.2020, 13:30
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Re: Stollen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

Steal it back. But without a frame number the police can do very little...
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Re: Stollen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

Contact the seller to arrange to see it. Take a couple of "mates" along and if it's hers just take it. If the seller wants to call the police tell them to go ahead.
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Re: Stollen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

I do appreciate your replies, but I don't think she is going to do that.
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Re: Stollen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

She can go there, and if it's hers, front it out, make a scene and call the police when the shouting starts.
If she has photos, she has proof.
The seller needs to have proof it's theirs.
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I do appreciate your replies, but I don't think she is going to do that.
Than her best option is to buy another bike.

If she can't proof ownership what does she expect from the police?
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Than her best option is to buy another bike.

If she can't proof ownership what does she expect from the police?
Maybe with no frame number it could be difficult. I wouldn't know what to do at that stage.
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Maybe with no frame number it could be difficult. I wouldn't know what to do at that stage.
Proof of special accessories, damage, repair tickets specifying parts like type of tyre etc.. could be a thing, but I wonder if the police wants to spend that amount of time. Insurance also is very simple on such "no receipts, no money"
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Than her best option is to buy another bike.

If she can't proof ownership what does she expect from the police?
Photos are proof of ownership.

If I have a Picasso hanging in my place, and have photos of it (hanging in my place), and someone steals it - will the police do nothing as the Picasso does not have a serial number?

My children don't have a serial number tattooed on them either. What if someone kidnaps one of them?

Shall I go on?

These Police are not doing their job properly and someone needs to step over them and go higher up the chain of command or at least put in a complaint.
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Re: Stollen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

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Photos are proof of ownership.

If I have a Picasso hanging in my place, and have photos of it (hanging in my place), and someone steals it - will the police do nothing as the Picasso does not have a serial number?

My children don't have a serial number tattooed on them either. What if someone kidnaps one of them?

Shall I go on?

These Police are not doing their job properly and someone needs to step over them and go higher up the chain of command or at least put in a complaint.
At least the police could approach the seller and ask him/her if they have proof of ownership. If not offer to take the bike to last and found.
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Old 17.04.2020, 22:33
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Photos are proof of ownership.
A photo of a mass produced bike gets you absolutely no where in Swiss law, even if you modified it. It’s a complete was to police time.
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I do appreciate your replies, but I don't think she is going to do that.
Well then you could do it for her/with her?

I had the problem before, I turned up with my frame number in hand and listed the non standard parts I'd installed on the bike telling them it was my bike stolen 2 weeks before. They said they'd bought the bike a few days ago and didn't steal it, I said it's still mine so they should go back to the seller or call the police as I will be cycling it away in a minute. They said "fine, take it".
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Police doesn't want to check the seller, saying she doesn't have a proof of ownership.
I can't talk for Switzerland but in France it's a classic.
Some bike like Brompton have a serial number on the frame and let you identify the bike without doubt but the police is not interested in doing anything.
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Re: Stolen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

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So, few days ago a friend's bike was stolen.
She made a report to the police.
A day later she found someone is selling bike looking exactly like her on Fb marketplace. She reported this to the police.
Police doesn't want to check the seller, saying she doesn't have a proof of ownership.
It's an old bike, she said it was in family for a long time. Bike is modified (handlebar tape etc). She has many pictures of herself and the bike. She showed them to the police.
What are her options? Legal of course.
she could buy it back?
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Re: Stolen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

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So, few days ago a friend's bike was stolen.
She made a report to the police.
A day later she found someone is selling bike looking exactly like her on Fb marketplace. She reported this to the police.
Police doesn't want to check the seller, saying she doesn't have a proof of ownership.
It's an old bike, she said it was in family for a long time. Bike is modified (handlebar tape etc). She has many pictures of herself and the bike. She showed them to the police.
What are her options? Legal of course.
If she does not have proof of ownership, ie the serial number, reciept etc, then None. And the police are correct, they can't go around questioning the seller, on the basis of something as flimsy as this.
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So, few days ago a friend's bike was stolen.
She made a report to the police.
A day later she found someone is selling bike looking exactly like her on Fb marketplace. She reported this to the police.
Police doesn't want to check the seller, saying she doesn't have a proof of ownership.
It's an old bike, she said it was in family for a long time. Bike is modified (handlebar tape etc). She has many pictures of herself and the bike. She showed them to the police.
What are her options? Legal of course.
First step is that she should arrange to see the bike to confirm it is hers. She needs the name and address of the seller before she can move forward if the bike is indeed hers.

If so, then she should tell the "seller" she wants to buy it but can't take it right away. Therefore she would like to write up a bill of sale and pay a deposit. Then she has something to go to the police with. If the bike is that unusual, surely the photos she has will make a good case.

If your friend imported the bike into Switzerland with her personal effects then it would be listed on the obligatory form.
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Re: Stolen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

I will do a resume of what happened since Friday. I think is very important, as so many people here are stating their uneducated opinion of what is (not) a proof of ownership and what police will not do, as a fact. Such statements canunnecessary discourage people in the future to try and get their possession back.


There was additional communication with the police, where at the end they say:
When the owner can describe her/his bicycle with certain characteristic (bei bestimmten Merkmalen) they will go on with investigation.
They apologised as they are overwhelmed by working from home office.

Today they contacted the Staatsanwaltschaft. They identified the seller trough his Fb profile and they will (did?) invite the seller to ask him about the bike.


During the weekend another friend contacted the seller as "a buyer", after some initial communication the seller said the bicycle is already sold and offered another one.


This bike is probably gone, but I hope that another person finding this thread sometime in the future will know that with some insistence the police will go and investigate further, even if you don't have the chassis number or, let alone the invoice from 30 years before.
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Re: Stolen bike, police doesn't want to check a reseller

Over 2 years ago, my e-bike got stolen from its unenclosed stander under my building. I reported to the police in the hope of claiming insurance. Documents included the sales receipt, bike specs, a printed picture I took of it when it was new. Insurance said it was not covered so I came to terms with the loss. A month later the police called to tell me my bike has been recovered, matches the shape in the picture and the serial number on the specs but not the color? It was the lousy paint job that gave it away. In the words of the police officer: "you would not do that to your bike if you were the real owner". That e-bike continues to be my reliable form of private transport in these difficult times.

Another case was with my colleague. Her e-bike was stolen right in front of our office building, it was caught on camera but the clever bastard could not be identified. She reported it to the police and a week later it was recovered in Bern, along with other bikes in a foreign registered covered Van. One of the stolen bikes in the Van had a location emitter updating the owner which helped to get it tracked down.

2 verified success stories to keep the faith in the polizei
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