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....and the big one - we don’t discover that dogs transmit it to humans....
I've read some sh1te on this forum, in fact I've written a great deal of it, but this is at the extreme end of nonsense and scaremongering.

And you believe yourself to be amongst the EF 'elders' who's opinions carry from gravity, and you come out with this bilge.
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But there is zero evidence that your dog can transmit the virus to a human or indeed be infected with it in the same way as humans.
In this case zero evidence just means the absence of knowledge - we know so little about this virus, that I would not really want the any of it as an absolute given.

First they thought ventilators were the way to go... now doctors are suggesting they are getting better outcomes from flooding the body with oxygen as was done with BoJo.

Antibody tests were supposed to be the way out of the lockdown, but it seems that there is difficulty in detecting the antibodies and in any case it seems some people are becoming infected again.

And then there is the mystery of the large numbers testing positive without symptoms and people testing negative but dying of the virus...

I think we are at the beginning of a very steep learning curve and don’t think you can take anything as gospel right now.
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The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) said that infectious disease experts and multiple international and domestic human and animal health organizations, all agree there is no evidence at this point to indicate that pets become ill with Covid-19 or that they spread it to other animals, including people.

These include the Paris-based World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the U.S.’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which have also both stated that there is no evidence that companion animals such as cats and dogs can spread the virus. “Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals which may compromise their welfare,” the OIE said.
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I've read some sh1te on this forum, in fact I've written a great deal of it, but this is at the extreme end of nonsense and scaremongering.

And you believe yourself to be amongst the EF 'elders' who's opinions carry from gravity, and you come out with this bilge.
Your perception of the world is entirely in your hands.
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The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) said that infectious disease experts and multiple international and domestic human and animal health organizations, all agree there is no evidence at this point to indicate that pets become ill with Covid-19 or that they spread it to other animals, including people.

These include the Paris-based World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the U.S.’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which have also both stated that there is no evidence that companion animals such as cats and dogs can spread the virus. “Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals which may compromise their welfare,” the OIE said.
Tiger Nadia disagrees with those experts.

But dogs would be a new one, Tigers are known to catch several diseases from humans.
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Re: Back to work, after covid-19

Oh my word, this thread has attracted the extreme hand wringers as well!
"We must do nothing"
"We do not know enough"

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Old 20.04.2020, 14:23
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Oh my word, this thread has attracted the extreme hand wringers as well!
"We must do nothing"
"We do not know enough
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I think it's more a case of "We do not know enough" so we should take sensible precautions, rather than "Do nothing".
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Old 20.04.2020, 14:35
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Re: Back to work, after covid-19

The one and only person I know who isn't currently working in her usual role, is a dental hygienist, but she's still going in a couple of days a week to assist with dental emergencies and the surgery scrub down and disinfect after each appointment.

In our little corner of the country, it's like nothing's changed that much because we're on a busy main road. Weekends are still like a scene from Easyrider with all the bikers out. There's still lots of building work going on and gardeners landscaping. I've seen staff going into a certain closed hardware place to water the plants, rotate stock and deep clean the store. I was chatting to one of the staff on day 1 of the lockdown when I passed after taking the recycling out, and he said they need to maintain the place so won't be at home all the time. One of my neighbours is still working odd days at the airport as well as from home, and another is going into work 3 days a week and working 2 from home.
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Old 20.04.2020, 14:36
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In reality it is people who spend most of their working day at a desk who have been able to convert to home working. This excludes hairdressers, manicurists, physios and chiropractors, dental hygienists, yoga/dance teachers, piano teachers, personal trainers, mountain guides, cleaners, dog walkers and dog trainers, babysitters etc etc. How many of them are self-employed? That is off the top of my head and by no means exhaustive.
Yes. Also psycholgists. And psychiatric nurses who do home-visits (so-called Psycho-Spitex).

Here are two petitions, asking of the Federal health authorities (Bundesamt für Gesundheit) to authorise that these two professions will be allowed to bill (to the medical insurance) consultations they hold by phone. At the moment, they are not allowed to do so.

Depending upon the respective current health and/or risk group of the service provider and/or of the patient, the rules have now left a huge gap in the care needed by vulnerable people. The patients need the care, the psychologists and psychiatric nurses are willing to speak to them on the phone or by skype. But there is no financial cover by the medical insurances, which means that any patient making use of this service would have pay the bill out of their own pocket. And these nurses and psychologists are having to get by without a large part of their income, even though they could be working, if only they were allowed to bill for phonecalls.

Psychiatrische Spitex soll während der COVID 19 - Krise weiter bezahlt werden
https://secure.avaaz.org/de/communit...rm=BwsGcb%2Bde

Psychologische Psychotherapie während der Coronakrise gestrichen, das darf nicht sein!
https://secure.avaaz.org/de/communit...ichen/?tBwsGcb
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Old 20.04.2020, 21:32
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The actual number spent or the number set aside for the crisis? 60B CHF set aside, money that didn't fall from the sky as Parmelin said.
If you believe the Hollywood movies, it's all buried under the Bundesplatz, not up in the sky.

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Old 21.04.2020, 09:25
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Re: Back to work, after covid-19

My soulless corporation has asked that 25% of the workforce come back to the office on April 27th, despite us all having desk jobs and being able to work from home full time. Since I work with mainly corporate goons, they are all fighting for their spot. Face masks are encouraged, elevator use discouraged (despite working on the 15 & 16 floors), temperatures must be checked each day and hands must be sanitized when changing floors. They are also encouraging us to get the antibody test, but promise that if we are shown to have them, the results won't force us to return to the office.

I hope I can manage to stay in my cosy home as long as possible.
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Old 21.04.2020, 09:30
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My soulless corporation has asked that 25% of the workforce come back to the office on April 27th, despite us all having desk jobs and being able to work from home full time. Since I work with mainly corporate goons, they are all fighting for their spot. Face masks are encouraged, elevator use discouraged (despite working on the 15 & 16 floors), temperatures must be checked each day and hands must be sanitized when changing floors. They are also encouraging us to get the antibody test, but promise that if we are shown to have them, the results won't force us to return to the office.

I hope I can manage to stay in my cosy home as long as possible.

Similar company here........ we all had to come back as from April 14....... no temperature check, sanitizer available but no enforcement of using that.


Still working from home as my GP got me the piece of paper and they cannot ignore that one from the BAG.
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My soulless corporation has asked that 25% of the workforce come back to the office on April 27th, despite us all having desk jobs and being able to work from home full time. Since I work with mainly corporate goons, they are all fighting for their spot. Face masks are encouraged, elevator use discouraged (despite working on the 15 & 16 floors), temperatures must be checked each day and hands must be sanitized when changing floors. They are also encouraging us to get the antibody test, but promise that if we are shown to have them, the results won't force us to return to the office.

I hope I can manage to stay in my cosy home as long as possible.
One hopes that this experience changes the culture so that those who can work from home are generally allowed, if not outright encouraged, to do so.
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Still working from home as my GP got me the piece of paper and they cannot ignore that one from the BAG.
On a team call now where several people are mentioning that it is directly against BAG recommendations...unbelievable. My boss is a doctor who proudly proclaimed that she has been on public transport and it has been empty, so should be safe for me.

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One hopes that this experience changes the culture so that those who can work from home are generally allowed, if not outright encouraged, to do so.
You would think so, but our leaders have already communicated that it's not possible. Hopefully I can find a new job sooner than later, market will be extra tight now.

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Re: Back to work, after covid-19

Following a recent Cobra meeting the UK has decided that it will 'not be 'outdone' by some European countries
who are beginning to emerge from lockdown this week and have told 'the Cybermen' they can return to
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Re: Back to work, after covid-19

My wife got an email reply for a CV she sent back on 2014. They're asking if she can start to work once the restrictions are lifted.

On one hand, never despair, that CV may yield results 6 year after On the other hand, the virus is shifting the job market.
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My wife got an email reply for a CV she sent back on 2014. They're asking if she can start to work once the restrictions are lifted.

On one hand, never despair, that CV may yield results 6 year after On the other hand, the virus is shifting the job market.
That company must have awesome data protection policies
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That company must have awesome data protection policies
hahahahaha, indeed, GDPR and all that. They should have 10-12 employees no more.
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That reminds to be seen... so long as you clean all common surfaces and the big one - we don’t discover that dogs transmit it to humans.... we already know dogs can catch the virus.
The Hong Kong data combined with the health of the infected animals is at least strongly suggestive the risk is minimal. https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/...htm?fontSize=1. Obviously take normal precautions,m!

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I've read some sh1te on this forum, in fact I've written a great deal of it, but this is at the extreme end of nonsense and scaremongering.

And you believe yourself to be amongst the EF 'elders' who's opinions carry from gravity, and you come out with this bilge.
They also say you can get it simply through eye contact. Which explains why people wont look at you directly in the eyes these days!
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