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Back to work, after covid-19

I was reflecting today as I walked the dog. A meeting the other day in Switzerland to ask about getting everyone back to work...

And I was wondering who isn't actually working...

Sure, the airport/airlines & the tourist industry; the shops [although the most essential ones are working and have never stopped].

Factories here and there of which there aren't so many en Suisse? Maybe labs, but I am not sure..

Everyone else is working, from home. Who on EF is not working?

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I was reflecting today as I walked the dog. A meeting the other day in Switzerland to ask about getting everyone back to work...

And I was wondering who isn't actually working...

Sure, the airport/airlines & the tourist industry; the shops [although the most essential ones are working and have never stopped].

Factories here and there of which there aren't so many en Suisse? Maybe labs, but I am not sure..

Everyone else is working, from home. Who on EF is not working?
I'm not working
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I'm not working
Ok, but were you working before the lockdown ...
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Old 20.04.2020, 08:23
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Ok, but were you working before the lockdown ...
No. I'm retired

But there are thousands in Zürich who don't work now.
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Re: Back to work, after covid-19

I couldn't find updated figures, but this from SwissInfo references SECO stats that as of 4 April 1.3 million workers - that's about a quarter of the workforce - were registered for Kurzarbeit.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-1...rland/45592192

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Those able to work from home perhaps forget that they generally are a very privileged group.
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I couldn't find updated figures, but this from SwissInfo references SECO stats that as of 4 April 1.3 million workers - that's about a quarter of the workforce - were registered for Kurzarbeit.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/covid-1...rland/45592192

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Those able to work from home perhaps forget that they generally are a very privileged group.
Wow that is indeed quite a high number.
But still that doesn't have to mean those people are "out of work", at least according to what "Kurzarbeit" directly translates to (perhaps "shortened work hours")?
I couldn't find that statistic on the website you linked - can you share where did you see it?
Thanks

Here are the stats from the seco.admin.ch website - "only" 0.4% unemployment rate increase is forecasted (as compared to those of Dec 19; of course, forecasts are hard at this time)

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Ok, but were you working before the lockdown ...
But I used to work in the "high risk industry"
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And I was wondering who isn't actually working...

Sure, the airport/airlines & the tourist industry; the shops [although the most essential ones are working and have never stopped].

Factories here and there of which there aren't so many en Suisse? Maybe labs, but I am not sure..

Everyone else is working, from home. Who on EF is not working?
Bars/Restaurants/Clubs/Cinema's/Bowling center/Zoo/Events/Congress centers/Market/Logopedists/Physiotherapists/Barbers etc..

And other sectors like building sector are partially shut-down

It all quickly amounts to a huge group of people, as for unemployment forecasts most of these people can go to work the day their restriction is lifted, tho some might take a long lasting serious hit like tourist sector.
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Re: Back to work, after covid-19

Pharma Production is working in the whole of Switzerland. everyone has only reorganized and maybe benefits were shown after this reorganization

I am working 100% but only because I am in notice period. my team is in short work
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I was reflecting today as I walked the dog. A meeting the other day in Switzerland to ask about getting everyone back to work...

And I was wondering who isn't actually working...

Sure, the airport/airlines & the tourist industry; the shops [although the most essential ones are working and have never stopped].

Factories here and there of which there aren't so many en Suisse? Maybe labs, but I am not sure..

Everyone else is working, from home. Who on EF is not working?

In reality it is people who spend most of their working day at a desk who have been able to convert to home working. This excludes hairdressers, manicurists, physios and chiropractors, dental hygienists, yoga/dance teachers, piano teachers, personal trainers, mountain guides, cleaners, dog walkers and dog trainers, babysitters etc etc. How many of them are self-employed? That is off the top of my head and by no means exhaustive. OP has only to walk or imagine the shopping districts of Zurich, Luzern, Basel etc to understand that the majority of shops are classed as non-essential so remain closed.

A question for OP - Are you working from home and, if not, were you working before the lockdown
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This excludes ..... dog walkers and dog trainers.......
Thankfully my dog walker is still working at 100%.
She no longer comes into the apt though, the harness and lead (for her use only, I have another set) are on the landing, and she opens the door and calls the dog.
As long as the correct distancing is observed, neither of us is at risk.
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Thankfully my dog walker is still working at 100%.
She no longer comes into the apt though, the harness and lead (for her use only, I have another set) are on the landing, and she opens the door and calls the dog.
As long as the correct distancing is observed, neither of us is at risk.

Unfortunately, my dog trainer can no longer come to us and, while I spend time training him every day, I miss having another person for him to work with. My son and I are the only ones to have ever walked him, not that he likes one of us to stay at home, and there isn't a chance that he would go with anyone else. He had a complete melt down when he realised that under new rules I wasn't allowed in to see the vet with him!
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Thankfully my dog walker is still working at 100%.
She no longer comes into the apt though, the harness and lead (for her use only, I have another set) are on the landing, and she opens the door and calls the dog.
As long as the correct distancing is observed, neither of us is at risk.
It's not just that.

If she had corona-virus and you touched the door handle that she had just touched then you could be contaminated.

That's the problem - it's not just social distancing that needs to be observed but strict hygiene measures too.
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It's not just that.
If she had corona-virus and you touched the door handle that she had just touched then you could be contaminated.


That's the problem - it's not just social distancing that needs to be observed but strict hygiene measures too.

Good point! I'm petty sure she is as paranoid as anyone else is, but I'll start disinfecting the touch points.
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Good point! I'm petty sure she is as paranoid as anyone else is, but I'll start disinfecting the touch points.
The dog might contract it as well :-)
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Thankfully my dog walker is still working at 100%.
She no longer comes into the apt though, the harness and lead (for her use only, I have another set) are on the landing, and she opens the door and calls the dog.
As long as the correct distancing is observed, neither of us is at risk.
That reminds to be seen... so long as you clean all common surfaces and the big one - we don’t discover that dogs transmit it to humans.... we already know dogs can catch the virus.
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The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) said that infectious disease experts and multiple international and domestic human and animal health organizations, all agree there is no evidence at this point to indicate that pets become ill with Covid-19 or that they spread it to other animals, including people.

These include the Paris-based World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the U.S.’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which have also both stated that there is no evidence that companion animals such as cats and dogs can spread the virus. “Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals which may compromise their welfare,” the OIE said.
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The American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) said that infectious disease experts and multiple international and domestic human and animal health organizations, all agree there is no evidence at this point to indicate that pets become ill with Covid-19 or that they spread it to other animals, including people.

These include the Paris-based World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the U.S.’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention which have also both stated that there is no evidence that companion animals such as cats and dogs can spread the virus. “Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals which may compromise their welfare,” the OIE said.
Tiger Nadia disagrees with those experts.

But dogs would be a new one, Tigers are known to catch several diseases from humans.
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That reminds to be seen... so long as you clean all common surfaces and the big one - we don’t discover that dogs transmit it to humans.... we already know dogs can catch the virus.
The Hong Kong data combined with the health of the infected animals is at least strongly suggestive the risk is minimal. https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/...htm?fontSize=1. Obviously take normal precautions,m!

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In reality it is people who spend most of their working day at a desk who have been able to convert to home working. This excludes hairdressers, manicurists, physios and chiropractors, dental hygienists, yoga/dance teachers, piano teachers, personal trainers, mountain guides, cleaners, dog walkers and dog trainers, babysitters etc etc. How many of them are self-employed? That is off the top of my head and by no means exhaustive.
Yes. Also psycholgists. And psychiatric nurses who do home-visits (so-called Psycho-Spitex).

Here are two petitions, asking of the Federal health authorities (Bundesamt für Gesundheit) to authorise that these two professions will be allowed to bill (to the medical insurance) consultations they hold by phone. At the moment, they are not allowed to do so.

Depending upon the respective current health and/or risk group of the service provider and/or of the patient, the rules have now left a huge gap in the care needed by vulnerable people. The patients need the care, the psychologists and psychiatric nurses are willing to speak to them on the phone or by skype. But there is no financial cover by the medical insurances, which means that any patient making use of this service would have pay the bill out of their own pocket. And these nurses and psychologists are having to get by without a large part of their income, even though they could be working, if only they were allowed to bill for phonecalls.

Psychiatrische Spitex soll während der COVID 19 - Krise weiter bezahlt werden
https://secure.avaaz.org/de/communit...rm=BwsGcb%2Bde

Psychologische Psychotherapie während der Coronakrise gestrichen, das darf nicht sein!
https://secure.avaaz.org/de/communit...ichen/?tBwsGcb
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