Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 22.04.2020, 14:28
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 17,199
Groaned at 669 Times in 519 Posts
Thanked 26,151 Times in 10,541 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
There is. Or better there could be by the law and ordinance. Not indicating can be punished with a CHF 100 fine.
Only indicating right when exiting roundabout at the next exit is mandatory. Indicating left to on a roundabout is not mandatory and hence there is no fine.

Which goes back to my original point about it being cultural (which isn't a criticism but merely an observation).
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 22.04.2020, 14:33
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
According to the web:
  1. Micronesia. According to the WHO report, the Federated States of Micronesia has the safest roads on the planet, with 1.9 road deaths per 100,000 people, and only 2 total road deaths throughout 2015.
  2. Sweden. ...
  3. United Kingdom/Kiribati. ...
  4. San Marino. ...
  5. Switzerland. ...
  6. Netherlands. ...
  7. Maldives/Denmark. ...
  8. Singapore/Israel. ...
I would argue that the per 100,000 vehicles is a better guide as it better reflects traffic levels. That list is (ignoring a few countries that don't report and ignoring San Marino as they're far too small to count)
Norway
Switzerland
Sweden
Finland
Japan
UK

Either way, Switzerland must be doing something right.

The US is (as a btw) well down both lists, death rates some 4 times higher than Switzerland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #63  
Old 22.04.2020, 14:40
Ato Ato is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,931
Groaned at 28 Times in 28 Posts
Thanked 3,683 Times in 1,505 Posts
Ato has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
So why indicate left when pulling onto a motorway from a slip road?

It's obvious you're going to do that and not slow down and pull over for a picnic.

Why do cars have brake lights - when one puts on the brakes, the car slows down so why the 'unnecessary' red lamps to indicate the obvious?

Shall I go on?
Because from a slip to the motorway is going from lesser road to greater road, and you're changing lanes.
You don't indicate left every time you pass an exit you're not taking on the motorway.
Everyone loves brakelights.

A roundabout is a high priority road with exits only to the right, that just so happens to be in a loop. You've no need to indicate to stay on the road, and there's no left exit. There more I think about it the less I like the idea of left indicating on roundabouts.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Ato for this useful post:
  #64  
Old 22.04.2020, 15:05
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: SG
Posts: 9,918
Groaned at 559 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 13,323 Times in 6,921 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
I have radar and make other drivers and pedestrians very nervous sometimes when I'm manoeuvering.

Strange though - my daughter and my daughter-in-law have managed to reverse into various things, despite the radar.
Is she the one who wanted/does a police apprenticeship?

Just connecting the dots
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 22.04.2020, 16:33
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 17,199
Groaned at 669 Times in 519 Posts
Thanked 26,151 Times in 10,541 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:

Either way, Switzerland must be doing something right.
I'm not saying it's not. I was answering Nocando's post where he wrote:

"Which country has better 'driving standards' than Switzerland?".
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 22.04.2020, 17:50
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: SG
Posts: 9,918
Groaned at 559 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 13,323 Times in 6,921 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
So why indicate left when pulling onto a motorway from a slip road?

It's obvious you're going to do that and not slow down and pull over for a picnic.
You blink because you intend to change the lane. However you are to use the "PannenStreifen" if you can't do so safely, in which case you are to stop blinking.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Urs Max for this useful post:
  #67  
Old 22.04.2020, 18:10
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 8,761
Groaned at 322 Times in 246 Posts
Thanked 20,108 Times in 7,025 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
According to the web:
  1. Micronesia. According to the WHO report, the Federated States of Micronesia has the safest roads on the planet, with 1.9 road deaths per 100,000 people, and only 2 total road deaths throughout 2015.
  2. Sweden. ...
  3. United Kingdom/Kiribati. ...
  4. San Marino. ...
  5. Switzerland. ...
  6. Netherlands. ...
  7. Maldives/Denmark. ...
  8. Singapore/Israel. ...
Below is Micronesia...

Road Conditions and Safety:
Driving in the FSM is hazardous because of poor road conditions, few street lights, no traffic signals, and pedestrians and animals walking in the road.
Road conditions can worsen after heavy rains.
Roads outside of towns are unpaved.
Traffic accidents often result in fatalities or serious injuries.
Drivers mostly have no training in safety or driving skills

and additionally these comments:
Traffic moves on the right side of the road, but many people drive used cars from Japan with right hand side steering making it hard for drives to see around corners.
It is common for vehicles to stop suddenly and vehicles may not pull off the road.

source: https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...icronesia.html
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 22.04.2020, 18:27
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 17,199
Groaned at 669 Times in 519 Posts
Thanked 26,151 Times in 10,541 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
Below is Micronesia...

Road Conditions and Safety:
Driving in the FSM is hazardous because of poor road conditions, few street lights, no traffic signals, and pedestrians and animals walking in the road.
Road conditions can worsen after heavy rains.
Roads outside of towns are unpaved.
Traffic accidents often result in fatalities or serious injuries.
Drivers mostly have no training in safety or driving skills

and additionally these comments:
Traffic moves on the right side of the road, but many people drive used cars from Japan with right hand side steering making it hard for drives to see around corners.
It is common for vehicles to stop suddenly and vehicles may not pull off the road.

source: https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...icronesia.html
And yet they still don't have many serious accidents. Amazing!
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 22.04.2020, 18:48
LDK LDK is offline
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: CH
Posts: 11
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts
LDK has no particular reputation at present
Re: Driving Standards

The number of deaths compared to the number of vehicles is all about speed limits. I have never been to Micronesia but I imagine the average speed on the roads are much lower than the average for Europe.

Also Norway, Sweden and Finland are all countries without a road infrastructure with a fairly high percentage of highways. Snow covered landmass for a long period of the year does as well add to it.

Switzerland is doing well.
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 22.04.2020, 21:31
mikedragos
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
I may be walking into a minefield here but wouldn't it be quicker to walk? 600m? Certainly cheaper.

Yes, and yes.
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 22.04.2020, 22:32
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Driving Standards

To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.

Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.

If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.

Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week)
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 22.04.2020, 22:37
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
The number of deaths compared to the number of vehicles is all about speed limits. I have never been to Micronesia but I imagine the average speed on the roads are much lower than the average for Europe.

Also Norway, Sweden and Finland are all countries without a road infrastructure with a fairly high percentage of highways. Snow covered landmass for a long period of the year does as well add to it.

Switzerland is doing well.
And many other things, in Sweden the odds of running into an animal that could wreck the car are much higher than here. Not to mention those killer wires and small poles to separate the two directions that will kill almost every motor driver slamming into them.
(And damn do I love driving those snow covered highways early in the morning in Sweden)
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 22.04.2020, 22:38
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Zurich
Posts: 215
Groaned at 23 Times in 14 Posts
Thanked 232 Times in 83 Posts
Nocando has an excellent reputationNocando has an excellent reputationNocando has an excellent reputationNocando has an excellent reputation
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.

Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.

If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.

Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week)
I would indicate left before entering the roundabout and signal right before exiting. Same as a three quarter turn.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Nocando for this useful post:
  #74  
Old 23.04.2020, 00:54
MsWorWoo's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Winti
Posts: 1,961
Groaned at 60 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 3,214 Times in 1,203 Posts
MsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond reputeMsWorWoo has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
I would indicate left before entering the roundabout and signal right before exiting. Same as a three quarter turn.
Exactly, I was going to turn back onto the same road (4th exit) so I was going to enter the roundabout and be on the left hand of the two lanes, once I got to the 3rd exit I moved to the right hand lane and once passed it, I indicated right to leave.
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 23.04.2020, 08:06
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 8,761
Groaned at 322 Times in 246 Posts
Thanked 20,108 Times in 7,025 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.

Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.

If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.

Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week)
You only need to signal when you exit the roundabout or when you change lanes on the roundabout.
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 23.04.2020, 08:38
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 22,872
Groaned at 446 Times in 344 Posts
Thanked 17,988 Times in 10,046 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.

Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.

If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.

Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week)
Keep signalling left until you're ready to exit right.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Medea Fleecestealer for this useful post:
  #77  
Old 23.04.2020, 08:41
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
Indicating right before leaving the roundabout, and preferably just after the last exit is mandatory*

*Note the timing. Why people here think it's okay to indicate right after they have just actually left the roundabout is beyond me - how does that benefit anyone?

Indicating left is okay too and helps improve traffic flow (which is why roundabouts were designed in the first place) but not mandatory -so people don't do it.

My Swiss wife (who learnt to drive in the U.K.) says I shouldn't indicate left as Swiss people are confused enough about roundabouts and seeing someone indicate left could possibly confuse them more.

I originally thought that there was no indicating left (for the third or fourth exit) was because people were lazy but I've talked to a few Swiss about this and they really do not understand the concept of roundabouts.

That's my roundabout rant.

You think the Swiss don't understand roundabouts, there are experts compared to Americans. The utter havoc when they put in a "European roundabout" as you go off the causeway onto Clearwater Beach (Fla) with about 5 different exits Completely clueless on how to drive around it
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #78  
Old 23.04.2020, 09:15
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bern
Posts: 2,297
Groaned at 429 Times in 274 Posts
Thanked 4,774 Times in 1,738 Posts
Susie-Q has a reputation beyond reputeSusie-Q has a reputation beyond reputeSusie-Q has a reputation beyond reputeSusie-Q has a reputation beyond reputeSusie-Q has a reputation beyond reputeSusie-Q has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
You think the Swiss don't understand roundabouts, there are experts compared to Americans. The utter havoc when they put in a "European roundabout" as you go off the causeway onto Clearwater Beach (Fla) with about 5 different exits Completely clueless on how to drive around it
We don't really have any roundabouts in the US. Our roads are rather dummy proof. Judging by how many of my countrymen are behaving lately, that's a good thing.
Reply With Quote
  #79  
Old 23.04.2020, 09:24
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 13,023
Groaned at 101 Times in 90 Posts
Thanked 19,969 Times in 8,851 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving Standards

Quote:
View Post
Keep signalling left until you're ready to exit right.
Quote:
View Post
I would indicate left before entering the roundabout and signal right before exiting. Same as a three quarter turn.
Please use the right indicator when you are past the exit before your exit and not just "when ready to exit" and specially not "right before exit". The right indicator has to come on as soon as possible.
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 23.04.2020, 09:40
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 42
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 30 Times in 17 Posts
ZuriG has no particular reputation at present
Re: Driving Standards

Here is a link from the UK Highway code that shows with a simple diagram about the use of indicators

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank ZuriG for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Electrical standards DL21 Housing in general 13 05.02.2019 19:33
Journalism standards...not CH Tasebo Complaints corner 5 21.05.2014 12:43
Trading standards in the CH Running man Other/general 3 12.03.2013 16:33
Double standards mimi1981 Forum support 65 19.10.2011 07:38
Trading standards telandy Business & entrepreneur 2 24.08.2010 11:27


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:59.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0