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22.04.2020, 14:28
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | There is. Or better there could be by the law and ordinance. Not indicating can be punished with a CHF 100 fine. | | | | | Only indicating right when exiting roundabout at the next exit is mandatory. Indicating left to on a roundabout is not mandatory and hence there is no fine.
Which goes back to my original point about it being cultural (which isn't a criticism but merely an observation).
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22.04.2020, 14:33
| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | According to the web: - Micronesia. According to the WHO report, the Federated States of Micronesia has the safest roads on the planet, with 1.9 road deaths per 100,000 people, and only 2 total road deaths throughout 2015.
- Sweden. ...
- United Kingdom/Kiribati. ...
- San Marino. ...
- Switzerland. ...
- Netherlands. ...
- Maldives/Denmark. ...
- Singapore/Israel. ...
| | | | | I would argue that the per 100,000 vehicles is a better guide as it better reflects traffic levels. That list is (ignoring a few countries that don't report and ignoring San Marino as they're far too small to count)
Norway
Switzerland
Sweden
Finland
Japan
UK
Either way, Switzerland must be doing something right.
The US is (as a btw) well down both lists, death rates some 4 times higher than Switzerland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
22.04.2020, 14:40
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | So why indicate left when pulling onto a motorway from a slip road?
It's obvious you're going to do that and not slow down and pull over for a picnic.
Why do cars have brake lights - when one puts on the brakes, the car slows down so why the 'unnecessary' red lamps to indicate the obvious?
Shall I go on? | | | | | Because from a slip to the motorway is going from lesser road to greater road, and you're changing lanes.
You don't indicate left every time you pass an exit you're not taking on the motorway.
Everyone loves brakelights.
A roundabout is a high priority road with exits only to the right, that just so happens to be in a loop. You've no need to indicate to stay on the road, and there's no left exit. There more I think about it the less I like the idea of left indicating on roundabouts.
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22.04.2020, 15:05
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | I have radar and make other drivers and pedestrians very nervous sometimes when I'm manoeuvering.
Strange though - my daughter and my daughter-in-law have managed to reverse into various things, despite the radar.  | | | | | Is she the one who wanted/does a police apprenticeship?
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22.04.2020, 16:33
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: |  | | |
Either way, Switzerland must be doing something right.
| | | | | I'm not saying it's not. I was answering Nocando's post where he wrote:
"Which country has better 'driving standards' than Switzerland?".
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22.04.2020, 17:50
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | So why indicate left when pulling onto a motorway from a slip road?
It's obvious you're going to do that and not slow down and pull over for a picnic. | | | | | You blink because you intend to change the lane. However you are to use the "PannenStreifen" if you can't do so safely, in which case you are to stop blinking.
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22.04.2020, 18:10
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | According to the web: - Micronesia. According to the WHO report, the Federated States of Micronesia has the safest roads on the planet, with 1.9 road deaths per 100,000 people, and only 2 total road deaths throughout 2015.
- Sweden. ...
- United Kingdom/Kiribati. ...
- San Marino. ...
- Switzerland. ...
- Netherlands. ...
- Maldives/Denmark. ...
- Singapore/Israel. ...
| | | | | Below is Micronesia...
Road Conditions and Safety:
Driving in the FSM is hazardous because of poor road conditions, few street lights, no traffic signals, and pedestrians and animals walking in the road.
Road conditions can worsen after heavy rains.
Roads outside of towns are unpaved.
Traffic accidents often result in fatalities or serious injuries.
Drivers mostly have no training in safety or driving skills
and additionally these comments:
Traffic moves on the right side of the road, but many people drive used cars from Japan with right hand side steering making it hard for drives to see around corners.
It is common for vehicles to stop suddenly and vehicles may not pull off the road.
source: https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...icronesia.html | 
22.04.2020, 18:27
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | Below is Micronesia...
Road Conditions and Safety:
Driving in the FSM is hazardous because of poor road conditions, few street lights, no traffic signals, and pedestrians and animals walking in the road.
Road conditions can worsen after heavy rains.
Roads outside of towns are unpaved.
Traffic accidents often result in fatalities or serious injuries.
Drivers mostly have no training in safety or driving skills
and additionally these comments:
Traffic moves on the right side of the road, but many people drive used cars from Japan with right hand side steering making it hard for drives to see around corners.
It is common for vehicles to stop suddenly and vehicles may not pull off the road.
source: https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...icronesia.html | | | | | And yet they still don't have many serious accidents. Amazing!
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22.04.2020, 18:48
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The number of deaths compared to the number of vehicles is all about speed limits. I have never been to Micronesia but I imagine the average speed on the roads are much lower than the average for Europe.
Also Norway, Sweden and Finland are all countries without a road infrastructure with a fairly high percentage of highways. Snow covered landmass for a long period of the year does as well add to it.
Switzerland is doing well.
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22.04.2020, 21:31
| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | I may be walking into a minefield here but wouldn't it be quicker to walk? 600m? Certainly cheaper. | | | | |
Yes, and yes.
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22.04.2020, 22:32
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To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.
Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.
If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.
Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week)
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22.04.2020, 22:37
| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | The number of deaths compared to the number of vehicles is all about speed limits. I have never been to Micronesia but I imagine the average speed on the roads are much lower than the average for Europe.
Also Norway, Sweden and Finland are all countries without a road infrastructure with a fairly high percentage of highways. Snow covered landmass for a long period of the year does as well add to it.
Switzerland is doing well. | | | | | And many other things, in Sweden the odds of running into an animal that could wreck the car are much higher than here. Not to mention those killer wires and small poles to separate the two directions that will kill almost every motor driver slamming into them.
(And damn do I love driving those snow covered highways early in the morning in Sweden)
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22.04.2020, 22:38
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: |  | | | To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.
Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.
If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.
Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week) | | | | | I would indicate left before entering the roundabout and signal right before exiting. Same as a three quarter turn.
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23.04.2020, 00:54
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | I would indicate left before entering the roundabout and signal right before exiting. Same as a three quarter turn. | | | | | Exactly, I was going to turn back onto the same road (4th exit) so I was going to enter the roundabout and be on the left hand of the two lanes, once I got to the 3rd exit I moved to the right hand lane and once passed it, I indicated right to leave.
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23.04.2020, 08:06
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: |  | | | To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.
Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.
If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.
Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week) | | | | | You only need to signal when you exit the roundabout or when you change lanes on the roundabout.
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23.04.2020, 08:38
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: |  | | | To all the people who think indicating before going on a roundabout is a great idea I have a question.
Assume a normal roundabout with a road in every wind direction.
If I take the 1st exit I signal right.
If I take the 2nd exit I don't signal upfront.
If I take the 3rd exit I should signal left before going on according to some.
Now what on earth do you feel I should signal if I want to do a 360? (which I normally do every week) | | | | | Keep signalling left until you're ready to exit right.
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23.04.2020, 08:41
| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | Indicating right before leaving the roundabout, and preferably just after the last exit is mandatory*
*Note the timing. Why people here think it's okay to indicate right after they have just actually left the roundabout is beyond me - how does that benefit anyone?
Indicating left is okay too and helps improve traffic flow (which is why roundabouts were designed in the first place) but not mandatory -so people don't do it.
My Swiss wife (who learnt to drive in the U.K.) says I shouldn't indicate left as Swiss people are confused enough about roundabouts and seeing someone indicate left could possibly confuse them more.
I originally thought that there was no indicating left (for the third or fourth exit) was because people were lazy but I've talked to a few Swiss about this and they really do not understand the concept of roundabouts.
That's my roundabout rant. | | | | |
You think the Swiss don't understand roundabouts, there are experts compared to Americans. The utter havoc when they put in a "European roundabout" as you go off the causeway onto Clearwater Beach (Fla) with about 5 different exits Completely clueless on how to drive around it
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23.04.2020, 09:15
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | You think the Swiss don't understand roundabouts, there are experts compared to Americans. The utter havoc when they put in a "European roundabout" as you go off the causeway onto Clearwater Beach (Fla) with about 5 different exits Completely clueless on how to drive around it | | | | | We don't really have any roundabouts in the US. Our roads are rather dummy proof. Judging by how many of my countrymen are behaving lately, that's a good thing.
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23.04.2020, 09:24
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| | Re: Driving Standards | Quote: | |  | | | Keep signalling left until you're ready to exit right. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | I would indicate left before entering the roundabout and signal right before exiting. Same as a three quarter turn. | | | | |  Please use the right indicator when you are past the exit before your exit and not just "when ready to exit" and specially not "right before exit". The right indicator has to come on as soon as possible.
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23.04.2020, 09:40
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Here is a link from the UK Highway code that shows with a simple diagram about the use of indicators https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html | This user would like to thank ZuriG for this useful post: | |
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