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Here is a link from the UK Highway code that shows with a simple diagram about the use of indicators

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html
Yes, that's totally relevant...
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Here is a link from the UK Highway code that shows with a simple diagram about the use of indicators

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html
....use of indicators in *the UK*.


The Highway Code also says you should drive on the left: although obviously this is the correct side of the road it's a trifle dangerous to try that in almost all other European countries.
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I like the way the highway code even points out to not trust peoples indications as they might not be using them correctly. That shows me that there is some confusion, or too many foreigners on British roads.

Brexit will solve all that, no more poor indicator use on British roads! (Sarcasm)
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I got absolutely blasted by some twat behind me in a open top sports car the other day. I approached the roundabout and was unsure if the car already on it was going to exit onto the road I was on or if it was going to keep going around in which case I would have driven into it. So I waited until I was sure and the car did exit onto the road I was on so I would have been ok to proceed, hence the moron leaning on his horn!

Turned right and so did he so I made sure I scrupulously stayed under the 50km speed limit. As there was no room for him to overtake he stayed within a metre of my rear bumper shaking his fist at me. First opportunity and round a blind bend he went roaring past me. Do I think for one instance that he was driving fast because of an emergency, nope, just some man child playing with his expensive toy
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I got absolutely blasted by some twat behind me in a open top sports car the other day. I approached the roundabout and was unsure if the car already on it was going to exit onto the road I was on or if it was going to keep going around in which case I would have driven into it. So I waited until I was sure and the car did exit onto the road I was on so I would have been ok to proceed, hence the moron leaning on his horn!

Turned right and so did he so I made sure I scrupulously stayed under the 50km speed limit. As there was no room for him to overtake he stayed within a metre of my rear bumper shaking his fist at me. First opportunity and round a blind bend he went roaring past me. Do I think for one instance that he was driving fast because of an emergency, nope, just some man child playing with his expensive toy
Horns are not used that much around here. The few acceptable places to horn are when the stoplight changes to green and someone is not moving. People that horn usually get the most condescending look you can imagine from bystanders. I'd guess this was far from away from other people.
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Horns are not used that much around here. The few acceptable places to horn are when the stoplight changes to green and someone is not moving. People that horn usually get the most condescending look you can imagine from bystanders. I'd guess this was far from away from other people.

Nope quite a busy road. I did note the ZH plates in canton LU and likely not Swiss
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....use of indicators in *the UK*.


The Highway Code also says you should drive on the left: although obviously this is the correct side of the road it's a trifle dangerous to try that in almost all other European countries.
Yes for the UK, so this diagram from France shows driving on the right - https://www.permisecole.com/conduite...e-rond-point#/

Not relevant for Switzerland but the diagram explains what some others have stated. Yes there are different rules in different countries, here in Switzerland indicate when exiting.......
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Here the information for Switzerland, from TCS: https://www.tcs.ch/de/testberichte-r...ln/kreisel.php
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Nope quite a busy road. I did note the ZH plates in canton LU and likely not Swiss
There you have it: the outsider that doesn't care.

Once I lent my car to a friend and asked explicitly to not speed, go over 3000 rpm, engage the sport mode or scare pedestrians/cyclists/cows in the town I live. Drive like an idiot somewhere else, my neighbors will just remember the car and I don't want to be that idiot.
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There you have it: the outsider that doesn't care.

Once I lent my car to a friend and asked explicitly to not speed, go over 3000 rpm, engage the sport mode or scare pedestrians/cyclists/cows in the town I live. Drive like an idiot somewhere else, my neighbors will just remember the car and I don't want to be that idiot.
I live on a street which is idiot dense, therefore my noises stand out far less. There are people who rev their bikes to tell people they're home, there are cars that rev to tell people to come outside, mostly modded Audi's and Mercs. I suppose it's better than using the horn, but it does mean my bike manages to gurgle along nicely without turning heads.
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Here the information for Switzerland, from TCS: https://www.tcs.ch/de/testberichte-r...ln/kreisel.php
So indicating before you enter the roundabout that you are taking at least the third exit is compulsory in the U.K. but only recommended here.

So why aren't the majority of Swiss doing what is recommended?

This is obviously a question for the Swiss on the forum.
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So indicating before you enter the roundabout that you are taking at least the third exit is compulsory in the U.K. but only recommended here.
The UK highway code doesn't quite have the status of law, so it's not actually "compulsory", as such, but that's the case with the vast majority of road 'rules', where you won't specifically be prosecuted for not obeying a specific rule, but may be for driving dangerously or without due care and attention.

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So why aren't the majority of Swiss doing what is recommended?
Must be a cultural thing. Oh.
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Nope quite a busy road. I did note the ZH plates in canton LU and likely not Swiss
How could you tell?
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They didn't shout Gruezi in an agressive fashion while passing.
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So why aren't the majority of Swiss doing what is recommended?
This is obviously a question for the Swiss on the forum.
- Because there are more than the "Swiss" on the road, many which have not taken a driving exam in Switzerland. But lets assume that "the Swiss" means anyone with a Swiss license plate.
- The TCS is not a government body but a private organization not unlike the AA.
- Swiss traffic laws and ordinances have never really been overhauled and streamlined since the early 1960's. But even then, 'recommendations' are never part of the official rules.
- There are very few recommendations beyond what is the official law from the ASTRA/FEDRO. Most of them deal with Autobahn https://www.astra.admin.ch/astra/en/...es/knigge.html. I did not find any about roundabouts.
- There was an attempt in 2011 to overhaul the old stuff and rewrite it from scratch. (Search for Totalrevision der Verkehrsregelnverordnung (VRV) und der Signalisationsverordnung (SSV) at https://www.admin.ch/ch/d/gg/pc/ind2011.html )
- UK's "The Highway Code" is actually a very well written and understandable pieces of legislation. I really like that they use pictures were needed.
- And just to annoy you: Even though the UK highway code says you must indicate left as soon as you are past the exit before your intended exit, still many UK drivers will not do so and leave w/o indicating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MmeA67LocM
- From the links provided by other users Swiss, French, and UK rules have one in common: All exit must be indicated and you should indicate your exit as early as possible.
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Well besides the impatience, rudeness and speeding once he overtook, it was the car.! Have to admit cars for me are just tools to get from A to B so cannot instantly spot the make but I think this one was a Ferrari!

Even if money is no object surely a Ferrari has to be the most impractical car for Switzerland!
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- And just to annoy you: Even though the UK highway code says you must indicate left as soon as you are past the exit before your intended exit, still many UK drivers will not do so and leave w/o indicating
According to people here, I wouldn't be allowed to make a video like that in Switzerland as it's illegal to film people.

But if it was allowed....
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According to people here, I wouldn't be allowed to make a video like that in Switzerland as it's illegal to film people.
Making of the video is not illegal. If you publish it you have to make sure that no one can be identified. Happy filming.
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So indicating before you enter the roundabout that you are taking at least the third exit is compulsory in the U.K. but only recommended here.

So why aren't the majority of Swiss doing what is recommended?

This is obviously a question for the Swiss on the forum.
Iím Swiss, I follow the recommendations.
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I did note the ZH plates in canton LU and likely not Swiss
How could you tell?
Well besides the impatience, rudeness and speeding once he overtook, it was the car.! Have to admit cars for me are just tools to get from A to B so cannot instantly spot the make but I think this one was a Ferrari!

Even if money is no object surely a Ferrari has to be the most impractical car for Switzerland!
So... you've no idea whatsoever of his nationality, or are you just saying that he couldn't be Swiss because real Swiss people would never drive a Ferrari or act in a rude manner?

BTW I don't think you come out of it very well either. Apart from the question of whether you really needed to stop at the roundabout, or indeed whether you did so in a sudden or unexpected fashion, deliberately driving slowly to hold him up and get him more riled at you is hardly the sign of a good considerate driver...
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