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Old 23.04.2020, 13:36
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So... you've no idea whatsoever of his nationality, or are you just saying that he couldn't be Swiss because real Swiss people would never drive a Ferrari or act in a rude manner?

BTW I don't think you come out of it very well either. Apart from the question of whether you really needed to stop at the roundabout, or indeed whether you did so in a sudden or unexpected fashion, deliberately driving slowly to hold him up and get him more riled at you is hardly the sign of a good considerate driver...

Yes I did need to slow down and momentarily stop because I had no idea what the car already on the roundabout was going to do and it was better not to continue, plough in to him if he had crossed my path and have an accident. The car on the roundabout didn't signal and it was only a one lane roundabout. No, I didn't suddenly slam on the brakes either. While it has been a fair few years, when I learned to drive I was taught cars already on the roundabout have right of way (to your left or right depending on country you are in) and that the lines on the road at the entrance to the roundabout are there for a reason!

As for how I drove after the roundabout, I obeyed the rules and drove marginally under the 50km signposted speed limited (ca 48 - 49 Km). Tailgating me in a dangerous fashion which is effectively bullying is never going to make me go over the speed limit to please some prat in his overpriced toy.

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Old 23.04.2020, 18:40
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Problem is that while cars have improved with all kinds of assistants and doodads our driving skills have diminished from somewhat OK to non existent.
In addition due to the lock down many haven't driven for a while and seem to need time to adjust and get back into the right gear. Somewhat scary.
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Problem is that while cars have improved with all kinds of assistants and doodads our driving skills have diminished from somewhat OK to non existent.
In addition due to the lock down many haven't driven for a while and seem to need time to adjust and get back into the right gear. Somewhat scary.

Yes, and certainly in our area we are seeing quite a few non locals taking advantage of the empty roads to put their foot down on their high performance cars, speed limits be damned
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Old 23.04.2020, 20:13
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Yes, and certainly in our area we are seeing quite a few non locals taking advantage of the empty roads to put their foot down on their high performance cars, speed limits be damned
If you think there is a problem with serious speeding feel free to contact the Verkehrspolizei Luzern
https://polizei.lu.ch/organisation/s...erkehrspolizei


Wonder how much more will have to be chauffeured or use public transport in the next two years. In the past there were a bit more than 400 cases of really serious speeding ("Raser"). https://www.bluewin.ch/de/news/schwe...er-273783.html
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Yes, and yes.
I'm going to ask why, but I suspect you're going to jump out and say "ah ha, but I have no legs" or some other reasonable reason. Am I walking into a forum ambush?
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So... you've no idea whatsoever of his nationality, or are you just saying that he couldn't be Swiss because real Swiss people would never drive a Ferrari AND act in a rude manner?
FTFY.
The "or" is Audi time.
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I'm going to ask why, but I suspect you're going to jump out and say "ah ha, but I have no legs" or some other reasonable reason. Am I walking into a forum ambush?

I don't quite understand your question. What ambush are you talking about? Ask what why?
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Old 27.04.2020, 13:35
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I don't quite understand your question. What ambush are you talking about? Ask what why?
You've said that it's cheaper and quicker to walk, so why drive? I'm expecting an ambush because it doesn't make sense to me. The ambush would be "ah, well I don't drive despite it being cheaper, quicker, more ecologically sound and better for my health because of good reasons X,Y and Z", at which point I look a little silly.
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You've said that it's cheaper and quicker to walk, so why drive? I'm expecting an ambush because it doesn't make sense to me. The ambush would be "ah, well I don't drive despite it being cheaper, quicker, more ecologically sound and better for my health because of good reasons X,Y and Z", at which point I look a little silly.
I wish people would read with at least some understanding and not try imputing what was never said. It was you who asked if it would be cheaper and I simply said yes. Same goes for quicker.

Simply, I couldn't care less if it is cheaper and quicker and 'more ecologically sound'. Does this answer your 'why' question?
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I wish people would read with at least some understanding and not try imputing what was never said. It was you who asked if it would be cheaper and I simply said yes. Same goes for quicker.

Simply, I couldn't care less if it is cheaper and quicker and 'more ecologically sound'. Does this answer your 'why' question?
Your answer proves my initial, unspoken assumption was absolutely correct .
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Your answer proves my initial, unspoken assumption was absolutely correct .
Hence, there was no need for your superfluous question. Why did you ask?

You trying to ambush me, I guess? well, sorry mate, not in this lifetime.
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hence, there was no need for your superfluous question. Why did you ask?

You trying to ambush me, i guess? Well, sorry mate, not in this lifetime.
qed.
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You two sound like two guys using each other's paranoia to "prove" your own is justified.
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You two sound like two guys using each other's paranoia to "prove" your own is justified.
Not sure what paranoia you are imputing to me? like with this other poster.
I simply made a comment on the well-thought plan of the Geneva authorities (or so they thought) who continue to do their best to make life difficult for drivers on purpose; all in hope this will encourage use of public transport (including the famous stickair... well, well kudos to them, look forward to see how this will be implemented in the post-covid times; even my own organization is encouraging people to start driving to work and not come by bus. As for stickair... surely, they can stick it... you know where).

And on this repeatedly 'ambushed' with questions like is it cheaper, quicker and now 'more economically sound'

To which all I politely answered with 'yes'.

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Not sure what paranoia you are imputing to me? like with this other poster.
I simply made a comment on the well-thought plan of the Geneva authorities (or so they thought) who continue to do their best to make life difficult for drivers on purpose; all in hope this will encourage use of public transport (including the famous stickair... well, well kudos to them, look forward to see how this will be implemented in the post-covid times; even my own organization is encouraging people to start driving to work and not come by bus. As for stickair... surely, they can stick it... you know where).

And on this repeatedly 'ambushed' with questions like is it cheaper, quicker and now 'more economically sound'

To which all I politely answered with 'yes'.

Maybe paranoia is not so far off when one believes that the Geneva authorities - or any other for that matter - get out of bed in the mornings with the thought in mind of making life difficult for drivers.
People, and this includes those we call experts, do take the trouble of watching over their decisions. But there are always those who know better anyway.
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Maybe paranoia is not so far off when one believes that the Geneva authorities - or any other for that matter - get out of bed in the mornings with the thought in mind of making life difficult for drivers.
People, and this includes those we call experts, do take the trouble of watching over their decisions. But there are always those who know better anyway.
To be fair, traffic policy across Europe has quite openly been based on trying to slow cars down, and while it may be effective in reducing accident numbers it's also absolutely a noticeable annoyance for many drivers. So yeah, they do, kinda, deliberately make life difficult for the motorist, even if their motives are good.

The rather odd discussion preceding this is just, well, the internet encapsulated, really.
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Maybe paranoia is not so far off when one believes that the Geneva authorities - or any other for that matter - get out of bed in the mornings with the thought in mind of making life difficult for drivers.
People, and this includes those we call experts, do take the trouble of watching over their decisions. But there are always those who know better anyway.
Paranoia? don't think so. Nor do I know/care what Geneva authorities go with/whom to bed. Another lousy impute attempt.

All I am saying, which is a well known fact, that Geneva authorities are on purpose trying to slow down the car traffic in order to motivate people take the bus.

This plan is flawed for two reasons:

1) people like me
2) covid
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There is no doubt that Zurich does... traffic lights are prioritized for public transport and footgangers, even if that means cars miss a turn or two at the lights... and then just to be sure cars behave, there are speed cameras in the red light cameras
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This plan is flawed for two reasons:
1) people like me
2) covid
This plan is working almost whole Europe wide, is based on extremely high cost of individual transport and completely not on you. The land-cost of infrastructure is simply too high. The decision is first to make short hauls inconvenient and expensive, not to ban them. Just watch how free parking places are rarer than unicorns.

Of course there are scenarios when this could turn around, like catastrophic depopulation of Europe or rise of autonomous cars, but probably first is more in zone of Mad Max movies and second means the end of enjoying the driving.
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This plan is working almost whole Europe wide, is based on extremely high cost of individual transport and completely not on you. The land-cost of infrastructure is simply too high. The decision is first to make short hauls inconvenient and expensive, not to ban them. Just watch how free parking places are rarer than unicorns.

Of course there are scenarios when this could turn around, like catastrophic depopulation of Europe or rise of autonomous cars, but probably first is more in zone of Mad Max movies and second means the end of enjoying the driving.
Then something is awfully wrong with the 'whole Europe wide'. Extremely high cost of individual transport? Why on earth would Europe care how much I pay for my own transport?

Decision, you say? by whom? as I said in my initial posting, I actually enjoy my short haul to work (yes, I have two parking spaces, one at home and one at work) and such 'decisions' can be stuck together with their stickair... you know where.
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