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How does your employer know whether you have a second job or not?

I mean, if they don't see it in LinkedIn or social media. Are there any way from the taxes you pay they could figure it out?
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Re: How does your employer know whether you have a second job or not?

What's so wrong about having a Nebenjob anyway? As long as there is no conflict of interest with the fiest employer and you are in the group that is legally allowed to do it, it's not their business what you do with your spare time.
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Re: How does your employer know whether you have a second job or not?

My contract with my employer obliged me to advise them and they reserved the right to forbid it.

So they would know as I was obligated to tell them.
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My contract with my employer obliged me to advise them and they reserved the right to forbid it.

So they would know as I was obligated to tell them.
OR (Obligationenrecht) also demands that the employer must be informed. But employer can only deny if it's competitive.
There are also rules about maximum weekly hours, working in the second job while on holidays of the first is not allowed ...... more details here in German.


I don't know if employers can look into the AHV account of employees. They would see it there as one has to pay AHV on the second job as well (if the income is more than Fr. 2300.00 a year but if it's not, it's not really a second job worth doing/mentioning, is it )
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Re: How does your employer know whether you have a second job or not?

Lessons life has taught me...

If there's a thing you want to do, where you don't want someone else to find out you have done it...

And it's a thing you want to do a lot, but are so worried about being found out about, that you have to ask someone else what are the chances you will get found out...

And it's a thing where the potential ramifications of being found out are far more costly than the value you get from doing the thing you want to do...

Then you are better off EITHER not doing the thing at all, OR coming clean about it and asking permission first.

Because (despite your best efforts) if you do it secretly you will probably get found out and all the bad things will happen as a result. If you come clean upfront, the potential fallout is not usually as bad as you always feared.

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it's not their business what you do with your spare time.
Actually it is, if you are working for them full time, your spare time, paid holidays etc are intended to let you rest and recuperate, so you are ready to do a good days work. And there are also safety and legal issues involved, for instance having a sleep deprived worker operating a HGV or a mechanical digger could have consequences for everyone.

So usually there are legal or contractual requirements to disclose second jobs.
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Actually it is, if you are working for them full time, your spare time, paid holidays etc are intended to let you rest and recuperate, so you are ready to do a good days work. And there are also safety and legal issues involved, for instance having a sleep deprived worker operating a HGV or a mechanical digger could have consequences for everyone.

So usually there are legal or contractual requirements to disclose second jobs.
Indeed. In our company we gather the info for HR and then they report to cantonal authorities a log of working hours of all workers that work in the night or weekends.There's an obligation to inform cantonal authorities.

It's not only about people operating big machines. An accident from your home to the office is considered a job related accident. So, if you fall while descending from the bus or crash while driving on your way to work, it adds to the company accident log (SUVA stats).

OP, why hide it? If you don't wont 100% for one employer, it is good strategy to let them know you have a second job. They start to appreciate you and may even offer a full time position.

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Lessons life has taught me...

If there's a thing you want to do, where you don't want someone else to find out you have done it...

And it's a thing you want to do a lot, but are so worried about being found out about, that you have to ask someone else what are the chances you will get found out...

And it's a thing where the potential ramifications of being found out are far more costly than the value you get from doing the thing you want to do...

Then you are better off EITHER not doing the thing at all, OR coming clean about it and asking permission first.

Because (despite your best efforts) if you do it secretly you will probably get found out and all the bad things will happen as a result. If you come clean upfront, the potential fallout is not usually as bad as you always feared.

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Ian
Yep. My short version is and always was:
Can I stand up for it if I get caught?
Are the consequences if I get caught worth what I'm getting out of it?

Always worked well for me. And I got away with lots of stuff. And where I didn't they usually caught me soonest the third time I'd done it. They were proud to punish me (for once), I gladly paid something like third of the price.

Plus: If <<you have to ask someone else what are the chances you will get found out>> that's already one too many who knows
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I mean, if they don't see it in LinkedIn or social media. Are there any way from the taxes you pay they could figure it out?
Read your contract. Follow your contract. Don't try to be clever, you will get caught and can be dismissed without notice.

If you are working full time, your employer expects you to show up in the morning well rested and for you to use your holidays to recuperate. The majority of full-time jobs pay enough to live on without needing a second job to supplement - if you are fiscally responsible.

If you work part time, you still need to tell your employer if your sideline may affect your performance, the total work time would be more than the maximum hours you would work if employed full time or if there is a potential conflict of interest.

Remember that the duty of care of Swiss employers is much wider reaching than in other countries, for instance, if you become ill for a longer period of time, they have to keep paying you 80% of your salary for a duration proportionate to the time you have been employed with you. They also cannot fire you while you are on sick leave. You are covered for accidents even if they happen outside of work. The four weeks minimum paid holidays per year is also pretty neat compared to other places.
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