Scotland lost control of its senses a long time ago.

We cancelled our September trip to Scotland last night. Holyrood put Switzerland on the quarantine list at the weekend so there was no point. Having been deferred from June, it's now deferred to end of January 2021.


It's just Sturgeon trying to point score over Johnson as usual, but she's a one trick pony anyway. When she was health minister I saw her visiting a hospital with a posse of photographers. She marched straight past all the waiting Consultants and made it a photo opportunity about her, no wonder the medical profession hated her. I also find it's a huge conflict of interest for her OH to be CEO at SNP HQ, and for him to be running all the financial aspects. I wish Scotland would get rid of both her and the SNP. In fact it would be better if the Scottish Government didn't exist, it's just another load of paper shufflers on fat salaries.

Same in Switzerland. In Valais probably fewer than 10% of people out shopping wear masks, and in our village not even servers or food preparation staff do so.
Hop across to Vaud and it's a different thing altogether, with masks absolutely required in any shop (don't know how they're dealing with bars and restaurants though).

Quite confusing when you're out shopping in the border country between Villeneuve and Monthey.

I know what you mean. We had the mask regulation in shops come in yesterday in Baselstadt, but if I walk 5 mins up the road to Birsfelden in Baselland I can go mask free. Shops in the city centre are worried about losing trade again.

With any luck they'll start implementing airport tests soon as they do in Germany in order to bypass quarantine. 20 cases in 100,000 is just a ridiculous number plucked out of the air.

Hello Everyone,
So....... I guess there are quite a few of us who will be struggling with this.
I commute to and from Switzerland. I am not always back in the UK for 14 days before I need to leave again.
Am I going to be allowed to leave "early"
Do I need to self isolate on the Swiss side?
I see in the link below on the UK gov website, that if you live in the UK, but travel abroad each week you dont need to self isolate...... (because obviously the more frequently you fly the better )
Does that mean I need to depart and return in the same week or could I, for example, leave on Tuesday this week and return the Friday of the following week. As in, as long as you are on a plane on any given week?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you


https://www.gov.uk/government/public...k-border-rules

No idea how it works with the UK. For Germany I had a commuter permit, issued by my employer, stating that I needed to commute for work. At that time getting back to Switzerland was easy if you have a residency permit. Didn‘t use that work document myself, opted to stay here.

Our carpenter's son is off to Cardiff Uni next week- never been abroad and will have to self-isolate- poor guy. What a unpleasant way to start his 6 months study abroad!



He will be in Uni digs- how can he shop/feed himself? Let's hope the Uni will provide some support, and that other students help him.

Are you sure this doesn't just apply to countries that are exempted? Because it sounds ridiculous to me that coming from Switzerland you wouldn't have to self-isolate, no matter how short a time you're here.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...avel-to-the-uk

You do not have to remain in the UK for the 14 days, you are allowed to leave the country with in this time. https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/25/...9-travel-disru

Really? How so. I've not noticed anything paranoid or nonsensical here and I live here.

Had the first Covid death in 6 weeks on the 26th so seems to be doing fine

My family are in Fife and it seems to be OK, sister says the same about going to Edinburgh on the train.

if Germany are doing airport tests then can one drive to and fly out of Munich and avoid the quarantine?

I fly Manchester/Zurich, Zurich/Manchester every week. I claim the frequent traveller exemption. The other regulars I see on the plane do the same.


The magic words are: "Yes, I have filled in the online form. Yes, I am exempt as a frequent traveller. Yes, I am returning on Sunday - do you want to see my Swiss B permit?"


(Of course, a B permit does not at all confirm you are a frequent traveller, but it usually impresses the UK Border Force).


However, I have not even been asked if I filled in the form, the last 4 trips back. The most recent Friday, the whole plane should have been quarantining on arrival... we were sent through to the e gates and none of the staff said a thing.


I am being careful, do go straight home in my own car, don't meet others when I'm there (apart from the Lovely Missus) and don't really go out of my home environment until it's time to fly back. But no, you do not need to stay in the UK for 14 days, if you have a return ticket booked earlier.





Regards




Ian

No. When you fly into U.K. you have to fill out the passenger locator form. It asks you where you’ve been in the last 14 days. You should say CH ... and go into quarantine.

My wife has to do some work in the UK & we noticed that for Advertising productions the Director, Director of Photography & Actors can leave quarantine to work. As She is a Director & I am a Director of Photography we could both go. It's amazing the no of exceptions.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ng-productions

I too was thinking of heading home to UK for 1 week and quarantining with family. Trouble is that you then cannot leave after 7 days, if you follow the law then you must stay for the 14 days. So a 7 day visit is not an option, legally.

Seems that hardly anyone actually quarantines for 14 days, so the scientist nerds are suggesting to the government that the quarantine period should be reduced to 7 days. They know that 7 days is not as good as 14 days, but when you take into account the compliance rate then the 7 day option is predicted to give better overall results, i.e. better that 50% of the population quarantines for 7 days, rather than 10% of the population quarantines for 14 days.

If the government changes to this 7 day quarantine period, i am booking my flight!

Not true, you can leave at any time, form gives an option to state departure date.
I have arrived & departed the same day all perfectly legal.

That is correct. BUT while you are staying with family they must quarantine along with you, and for the full 14 days, even if you have left.

Could you provide a link, thats not how I understand the rules in the UK. Having looked at them every day for the last week.