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Old 02.11.2020, 12:24
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It is logical that any restriction applicable to a visitor would apply equally to the visitees.''


indeed, it is all nonsense otherwise.
There are no checks, remember UK has no registration. Like with taxation it's self declaration.
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Old 02.11.2020, 12:29
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Well, I’m intrigued how they would enforce it? There are no exit controls, no passport checks (other than the airline verifying your identity) at any UK airport. If asked just say business, it could be monkey business. They can’t hold you hostage.

As I said, your return to the UK likely will be more challenging.
Exit controls are quite easy to implement for COVID, we have them already in airport for destinations with entry checks:

Airports - already in place, these are done by airlines. It's totally normal. Any airline that travels to a country with entry checks is used to it. The "policy" is that if a destination country rejects a passenger, the airline is liable to fly them back + associated costs (+ in some cases a fine). Hence, airlines have policies and procedures to check outbound passengers (pre-COVID, this is nothing new). They just need to extend that, so instead of looking for a Visa, or permit or something, they get a reason to travel (expect another form). These vary from airline to airline. Some do it online, some at the checkin counter, some at the boarding gate.

This was "tested" a few months ago (Feb/March, when I cam back to CH from Heathrow with BA). The online checkin looked at your passport nationality (API - advanced passenger info), and for me had a notice stating you had to be a resident or citizen and couldn't do online check-in. They forced everyone to go to the normal check-in desk where you had to state you were a Swiss resident... and then they were re-checking residence permits at the gate - if you didn't have a Swiss residence permit, you weren't allowed to fly.

Same applies for anyone in the UK on flights to USA - pre-boarding, you get checked to make sure you will be allowed in at your destination. Nothing new.

For seaports, a similar process applies - you get denied boarding. This has been tested as part of the new increased staffing for brexit.

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There are no checks, remember UK has no registration. Like with taxation it's self declaration.



I am fully aware- I am saying that as far as Covid, it is just nonsense. If I am a potential risk coming from CH visiting my daughters, OH's and grandchildren- a) I am putting them at risk and b) as they continue to go to work, schools, shops- etc- everyone else too. If you have to self-isolate, it should be in totally separate accommodation without contact with anyone, for it to make sense. We personaly could not go and isolate at our own flat, as we would not be allowed to take the dog out (apartment, no garden) - so would have to rent a cottage in isolated location with direct, non human contact access to outside- and then go and visit.


Not about the Rules- but about medical common sense and fact. If people spent a bit more time trying to help control the spread of the virus rather than how to circumvent the rules and make them fit their own selfis purpose - we might not be in the mess we are in now.

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Well, Iím intrigued how they would enforce it? There are no exit controls, no passport checks (other than the airline verifying your identity) at any UK airport. If asked just say business, it could be monkey business. They canít hold you hostage.

As I said, your return to the UK likely will be more challenging.
Itís at check when they question you. If you canít show a valid work permit or a valid work contract youíre told to return home. I saw it myself during the first lockdown. They close online check in too so you canít get around it that way
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Old 02.11.2020, 13:10
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I am fully aware- I am saying that as far as Covid, it is just nonsense. If I am a potential risk coming from CH visiting my daughters, OH's and grandchildren- a) I am putting them at risk and b) as they continue to go to work, schools, shops- etc- everyone else too. If you have to self-isolate, it should be in totally separate accommodation without contact with anyone, for it to make sense. We personaly could not go and isolate at our own flat, as we would not be allowed to take the dog out (apartment, no garden) - so would have to rent a cottage in isolated location with direct, non human contact access to outside- and then go and visit.


Not about the Rules- but about medical common sense and fact.
Just thinking back, you had several months when you could have visited your family had you wished to do so. I believe you went on holiday yo Italy instead? Even with quarantine you could have stayed at their house, so you just did not wish to go it's very easy to make excuses. The risk to the children is about 1 in 5 million so 3 times higher than winning the lottery.
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This needs a bump. Has anyone flown to the UK recently and can confirm if the 14 day quarantine is being rigorously enforced? Unfortunately, Switzerland is not being mentioned in the proposed 'air-bridges' that may be effective from next week.
I flew back to UK from Switzerland and dutifully completed all the forms. No-one has checked up on me and I fly back for work very soon. There are just not the resources. That said, I heard about one family who had 75 calls in one day. Go figure........!
I hope I can get back to London for Xmas. Who knows what sort of omnishambles we will be facing then...
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Just thinking back, you had several months when you could have visited your family had you wished to do so. I believe you went on holiday yo Italy instead? Even with quarantine you could have stayed at their house, so you just did not wish to go it's very easy to make excuses. The risk to the children is about 1 in 5 million so 3 times higher than winning the lottery.

You have no idea about circumstances- so don't personalise this. If family members are shielding for health reasons, you don't go and impose yourself, however much you would love to.



Yes, we went to rural Tuscany, by car, when there were no restrictions, staying in our own flat, where we go every year early September. So?

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Re: UK - New travel quarantine rules

FYI from me also: I filled the UK form, didn't need to show it at border (Eurotunnel) and nobody checked on me whatsoever over the 14 days... I've been here for 3 weeks today.
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It’s at check when they question you. If you can’t show a valid work permit or a valid work contract you’re told to return home. I saw it myself during the first lockdown. They close online check in too so you can’t get around it that way
So the airline is checking, and not even the airline but the company the airline has hired to do check-ins?

What if I was an employee of a UK business, and I said I was travelling to Geneva for business meetings? I wouldn't have a work permit (as I live in the UK) and I wouldn't have my work contract, probably signed a decade or so ago.

And frankly why would they care about people leaving the UK. It may be problematic returning but ...
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Yes, we went to rural Tuscany, by car, when there were no restrictions, staying in our own flat, where we go every year early September. So?
Makes all the hard luck UK pensioner stories more difficult to swallow.
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Yes, we went to rural Tuscany, by car, when there were no restrictions, staying in our own flat, where we go every year early September. So?
He's under the illusion you are someone else.
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Re: New U.K. rules causing a headache

Easyjet already cancelled everything between Luton & Zurich from October to December.


BA have just binned all of November between Zurich and Heathrow and possibly early December.


So you have Swiss pretty much with a monopoly with usually 1 flight a day between Zurich and Heathrow and priced accordingly. As a regular commuter its a nightmare with flights getting to see the family at present.
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Makes all the hard luck UK pensioner stories more difficult to swallow.

Oh dear, yes one week timeshare bought some 17 years ago, lol. Silly. You got it bad, really. Pathetic and sad - and totally off topic.

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Oh dear, yes one week timeshare bought some 17 years ago, lol. Silly. You got it bad, really. Pathetic and sad - and totally off topic.
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Yes, we went to rural Tuscany, by car, when there were no restrictions, staying in our own flat, where we go every year early September. So?

Changing your story, just as you always did:-
'staying in our own flat' to staying in a 'one week timeshare'
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one week timeshare, always in the same flat - which is very much our own in perpetuity for that week
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Easyjet already cancelled everything between Luton & Zurich from October to December.


BA have just binned all of November between Zurich and Heathrow and possibly early December.


So you have Swiss pretty much with a monopoly with usually 1 flight a day between Zurich and Heathrow and priced accordingly. As a regular commuter its a nightmare with flights getting to see the family at present.
Er, what part of the law of supply and demand do you not understand? Of course Swiss is going to charge monopoly rents, but that is better than the alternative that all of their competitors have chosen.
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As a regular commuter its a nightmare with flights getting to see the family at present.
The real nightmare will start on January 1st for those of us who usually drive to Blighty for Christmas, Easter etc..
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The real nightmare will start on January 1st for those of us who usually drive to Blighty for Christmas, Easter etc..
Not really, the tunnel never closed, you have a residence permit so nothing will change.
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Not really, the tunnel never closed, you have a residence permit so nothing will change.
Indeed, its not that I fear being locked out at either end but Dover Port is still not 'No deal' Brexit ready. The government are cutting it extremely tight with the key infrastructure necessary to keep HGV traffic moving, which will have a knock-on effect on light passenger car traffic. With time it will be sorted I'm sure, but for those of us travelling this year we will be the guinea pigs.
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Indeed, its not that I fear being locked out at either end but Dover Port is still not 'No deal' Brexit ready. The government are cutting it extremely tight with the key infrastructure necessary to keep HGV traffic moving, which will have a knock-on effect on light passenger car traffic. With time it will be sorted I'm sure, but for those of us travelling this year we will be the guinea pigs.
You mean like CH, lorries cn only enter during normal working hours
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