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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

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"The Federal Council is easing further measures. Many businesses and institutions are allowed to open and events are permitted, as long as they have appropriate precautionary measures in place. Continue to observe the hygiene and social distancing rules. The coronavirus should not be allowed to spread again." - Federal Office of Public Health FOPH

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Further information in English https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...es-bundes.html
<<Provide contact details and allow tracing>> should be marked "strongly recommended" according to other laws still valid in Switzerland. No?
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I said it was foolhardy for people to sit facing each other at a table, not social distancing and not wearing masks,
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But to have a meeting based on (the 15 minutes) is stupid.
did you find hard to understand?

I'm still staying home and meeting only online.
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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

So, I am resurrecting this thread, with a few more questions.
Yes, I know, 1.5m, yes, I know, more people together etc

However, looking over the link that Curley posted, it seems that the Employment Act applies here, as regards protection of employees.
Also, I see there is a government covid ordinance, but it doesn't actually mention the principle rules, ie 1.5m distance, or masks, or partitions.

I presume the Employment act covers protection of workers in a general way, which would mean the situation I described would be prohibited.
Is the 1.5 rule covered by the ordinance? Is that legally enforceable?
If this is the case, who do you go to, to get this resolved? I will say, the higher ups in the department are doing the same thing.
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Old 09.07.2020, 22:26
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So, I am resurrecting this thread, with a few more questions.
Yes, I know, 1.5m, yes, I know, more people together etc

However, looking over the link that Curley posted, it seems that the Employment Act applies here, as regards protection of employees.
Also, I see there is a government covid ordinance, but it doesn't actually mention the principle rules, ie 1.5m distance, or masks, or partitions.

I presume the Employment act covers protection of workers in a general way, which would mean the situation I described would be prohibited.
Is the 1.5 rule covered by the ordinance? Is that legally enforceable?
If this is the case, who do you go to, to get this resolved? I will say, the higher ups in the department are doing the same thing.
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Thank you for the flowers but which link would that be? I don't see I've posted one in this thread?
Give us the link again, which you refer to, please?
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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

yeah,sorry,you quoted asswissintheus


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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

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So, I am resurrecting this thread, with a few more questions.
Yes, I know, 1.5m, yes, I know, more people together etc

However, looking over the link that Curley posted, it seems that the Employment Act applies here, as regards protection of employees.
Also, I see there is a government covid ordinance, but it doesn't actually mention the principle rules, ie 1.5m distance, or masks, or partitions.

I presume the Employment act covers protection of workers in a general way, which would mean the situation I described would be prohibited.
Is the 1.5 rule covered by the ordinance? Is that legally enforceable?
If this is the case, who do you go to, to get this resolved? I will say, the higher ups in the department are doing the same thing.
cheers, Morph
<<The recommended minimum distance to be observed between individuals has been reduced from two metres to 1.5 metres.>>
It is not a rule. It is a recommendation. Therefore the answer is no.
(The link was even in English )
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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

Yes, it is written in english, but pretty ambiguously written.
Is the 1000 people thing just a recommendation? Can I have 1100 people together, if I feel like it? If not,what are the consequences?

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"events may be held if attended by no more than 1,000 people. If attended by more than 300 people, the venue must be partitioned into sectors each holding a maximum of 300 people."
Must.
So which are "must" and which are recommended? Are these "recommendations" part of the ordinance? Is an ordinance legally enforceable?
From the pdf "easing of measures and possible next steps":


Mandatory distance of 1.5 metres 22June 202019June 2020 Not currently regulated in the OrdinanceNew: draft Annex COVID-19 Particular Situation Ordinance, No 3.1)




So it's mandatory, but not currently regulated?
And how does all this relate to the employment act?
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Yes, it is written in english, but pretty ambiguously written.
Is the 1000 people thing just a recommendation? Can I have 1100 people together, if I feel like it? If not,what are the consequences?

from the link:
"events may be held if attended by no more than 1,000 people. If attended by more than 300 people, the venue must be partitioned into sectors each holding a maximum of 300 people."
Must.
So which are "must" and which are recommended? Are these "recommendations" part of the ordinance? Is an ordinance legally enforceable?
From the pdf "easing of measures and possible next steps":


Mandatory distance of 1.5 metres 22June 202019June 2020 Not currently regulated in the OrdinanceNew: draft Annex COVID-19 Particular Situation Ordinance, No 3.1)




So it's mandatory, but not currently regulated?
And how does all this relate to the employment act?
The recommended ones are recommended. The musts are musts.

Yes, it is (the distance thing) mandatory but not currently regulated - as stated from where ever you quoted.
All of that does not relate with the employment act. The home-office is no longer ordered nor recommended.
What's the problem?

Should we all go vote about a punishment for a rule that is preliminary? By the time it even gets to be voted on the whole thing might be over. Or the distance different.
AfaI see it, you want to get your employer by the balls for something you were not even part of. Basically, if they want to cuddle, they can. If they're in agreement that is. While you are free to insist on 3m distance, wear a mask and gloves and it will be respected.
What they can't force you is to take part in a meeting where the distance from you is not kept. For the rest you could waste money on a lawyer, if you find a bogus one who makes you believe you can win it. According to Lib, there are tons of those out there.

I understand, you want rules and punishments, preferably punishments you can threaten with or have ticketed on others. No luck here. 1.5m makes sense (kind of, at least it doesn't sound idiotic) where it makes sense. There's times it can't be done. I was out today, it must have been impossible about 8-10 times. Same in public transport.
If you suffer from feat - and that's perfectly fine, I'm not bashing that - wear a mask, keep away from people, carry your sanitizer.
As they say in German: "Zerbrich Dir nicht den Kopf der anderen".
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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

it also says " die verordnung verordnet die massnahmen"
so the measures are ordered by the ordinance.



Mandatory, but not regulated, doesnt make sense
The employment act states that employees must be protected from risks
thats how it relates
noone mentioned home office, until you did


Voting? whats that got to do with it? In what way is it preliminary, the measures have been going on for weeks, and thinking it might be over soon is optimistic to the point of wilful ignorance



I am party to it, in that I work with these people, and they increase the risk for me, them, all their friends, all their family, and any others they might encounter (thats how viruses work)



I want a sensible plan, based on BAG documents ( which I might add use words like "guaranteed" as regards social distance in the workplace. No luck where? Have you read the relevant parts of the thread?


No, I don?t suffer from fear, I suffer from irritation that some pretty simple and very important rules cannot be implemented.


As we say in english, just because someone falsely attributed a link to you, doesn't mean you have to even reply, especially if you miss the point so spectacularly.
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Hi,
I saw 4 people I know having a meeting together around a table, probably less than 1m apart, for around 15 minutes.
I talked to the manager after, and said this wasn't really allowed under the current covid rules, as far as I was aware.
Aha, he said, it's ok if its less than 15 minutes, checkmate! (I am paraphrasing, of course).
I looked through the BAG rules, I can't find any "15 minute rule".
Has anyone heard of this rule? Sounds wrong to me.
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I'm just waiting for Boris to announce the re-introduction of the british - Cold War '4 minute warning'
but updated for the 2020 Coronavirus outbreak whereby users can download the 4 minute warning
as an add on to the Track & Trace App; whereby an Air Raid Siren goes off on your Smartphone,
four minutes before nearing a Covid 19 hotspot area.

Now that would be cool if that ever came about.
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