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The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

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I saw 4 people I know having a meeting together around a table, probably less than 1m apart, for around 15 minutes.
I talked to the manager after, and said this wasn't really allowed under the current covid rules, as far as I was aware.
Aha, he said, it's ok if its less than 15 minutes, checkmate! (I am paraphrasing, of course).
I looked through the BAG rules, I can't find any "15 minute rule".
Has anyone heard of this rule? Sounds wrong to me.
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Hi,
I saw 4 people I know having a meeting together around a table, probably less than 1m apart, for around 15 minutes.
I talked to the manager after, and said this wasn't really allowed under the current covid rules, as far as I was aware.
Aha, he said, it's ok if its less than 15 minutes, checkmate! (I am paraphrasing, of course).
I looked through the BAG rules, I can't find any "15 minute rule".
Has anyone heard of this rule? Sounds wrong to me.
Thanks

It had been reported that all it took was 15 minutes being near a person, for example in face to face conversation, for the virus to pass from one person to another. That was put out to show how easily the virus could spread.
Is it a scientific fact that anything under 15 minutes and the virus would not pass to another person. Of course not! The manager is talking complete and utter rubbish. Not only that, the stupid person is risking spreading the disease again undoing all the sacrifice made by lockdown. Were they wearing masks
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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

Isn't that when the apps start tracking? Short interactions are lower risk. Any interaction under 15 minutes in duration is unlikely to cause an infection.

Also, I think the 15 minutes idea helps stop people worrying unduly about unavoidable interactions. But to have a meeting based on that is stupid.
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It had been reported that all it took was 15 minutes being near a person, for example in face to face conversation, for the virus to pass from one person to another. That was put out to show how easily the virus could spread.
Is it a scientific fact that anything under 15 minutes and the virus would not pass to another person. Of course not! The manager is talking complete and utter rubbish. Not only that, the stupid person is risking spreading the disease again undoing all the sacrifice made by lockdown. Were they wearing masks
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Yes, I should have written that I am aware of these reports of course, it's been all over the news. But it's not an absolute "rule", it will depend on a lot of factors, it's more to say, don't hang around people for any longer than necessary.
I am referring more to the BAG rules. I can't find anything about this, so it would seem to me that the "at least 2m" rule would apply.
Am I correct?
Edit. sorry didn't see the mask question, no, they weren't wearing masks.

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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

This is no longer the rule, there never was a "15 minute" regulation either. Groups can gather up to 30 people now. Masks still to this day are only recommended.

All info in English can be found here:
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...-sprachen.html

Try not to go into the cities if this bothered you...it's a big love fest here in the middle of Bern. Not to mention the protests happening all over the country.

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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

They should have been wearing face coverings, if unable to meet 2M rule. Such as on public transportation. That should be the law.

It should be required if we wish to avoid a second wave.

The virus does not take 15 minutes it can happen in seconds if someone sneezes, coughs, sings, shouts or talks - or even breathes.
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Groups can gather up to 30 people now.
300, not 30.
IF being able to maintain 2m distance - but I find that highly improbable and near impossible to impose or exercise.

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Short interactions are lower risk. Any interaction under 15 minutes in duration is unlikely to cause an infection.

All it takes is someone to sneeze or cough and you can be infected within about 15 seconds if they are close to you. It is foolhardy for anyone to shrug off the risk because they were in close proximity for less than 15 minutes. I don't believe there have been any tests done to even quantify the risk rate per minute of exposure to an infected person who may have no symptoms and not realise they are infected.
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They should have been wearing face coverings, if unable to meet 2M rule. Such as on public transportation. That should be the law.
I would agree with you, especially on crowded public transport. But it is not the law, & and refutes OP's post. He or she had no reason to complain to the manager and hence, probably why he made the silly "15 minute" comeback. Perhaps if anyone doesn't like the current regulations, they should remain home (like I do for the most part) or complain to the BAG.

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300, not 30.
IF being able to maintain 2m distance - but I find that highly improbable and near impossible to impose or exercise.
300 applies to official events and protests, not private gatherings. 30 for private groups.
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300, not 30.
IF being able to maintain 2m distance - but I find that highly improbable and near impossible to impose or exercise.

According to BAG from 6th June

Gatherings up to 30 people
Events and demonstrations up to 300 people
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According to BAG from 6th June

Gatherings up to 30 people
Events and demonstrations up to 300 people
Potato - potato... Wait, that doesn't work in writing.

Is a wedding an event or a gathering?
Too much open to interpretation IMO (at least the way they phrase it in English).

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Re: The new Covid19 15 minute rule?

It's a probabilistic threshold (I don't know how much, but for example it could be that 90% of trasmissions happens with >15 minutes <2 meters), it can be used to evaluate risk of having contracted the disease (e.g. during contact tracing, tracing app algorithms) and decide if that person should quarantine.
If this happened at work you are right it's not OK (unless they go to the nearest restaurant and have a lunch meeting) but I suggest you read the company pandemic plan to confirm who is right.
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Potato - potato... Wait, that doesn't work in writing.

Is a wedding an event or a gathering?
Too much open to interpretation IMO (at least the way they phrase it in English).
Demonstrations up to 300 with occasional exceptions up to 10,000.
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It's a probabilistic threshold (I don't know how much, but for example it could be that 90% of trasmissions happens with >15 minutes <2 meters), it can be used to evaluate risk of having contracted the disease (e.g. during contact tracing, tracing app algorithms) and decide if that person should quarantine.
If this happened at work you are right it's not OK (unless they go to the nearest restaurant and have a lunch meeting) but I suggest you read the company pandemic plan to confirm who is right.
man, this thread got derailed faster than the night train to Pyongyang!
thanks Meerkat for an on-topic reply!
edit: I will say, for those who care to actually read the text, my area of work has some leniency concerning "clients", but not for staff, as I see it.
Hence my specific question, is there any trace of this 15min thing in BAG rules. I did not ask about love fests or trains or weddings or demos etc., nor what this 15m thing actually means.



It's at work.

As far as I know, our plan should just follow BAG rules. I haven't been back for long, but it's been a bit of a mess so far, this is just the worst example.

Yes, as I said, I am aware it's just a rough guide, and anyway certainly something you want to avoid at all costs. It's totally stupid as a "rule" to follow. I mean, how times a day can one do this? Do we stop at 14.59 mins?
Can you add the extra second onto the next meeting? If one of the group is sweating and shivering, with a dry cough, do you cut it to 10 mins?
People can't even tell what 2 meters is, as a rule, so adding this to the equation is crazy.

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Häufig gestellte Fragen (FAQ) für Gesundheitsfachpersonen
COVID-19 - Krankheit und Symptome
Welches sind die Hauptübertragungswege?
- Bei engem und längerem Kontakt: Wenn man zu einer erkrankten Person länger als 15 Minuten weniger als 2 Meter Abstand hält.
- Durch Tröpfchen: Niest oder hustet die erkrankte Person, können die Viren direkt auf die Schleimhäute von Nase, Mund oder Augen von anderen Menschen gelangen.
- Über die Hände: Ansteckende Tröpfchen aus Husten, Niesen oder von kontaminierten Oberflächen können sich an den Händen befinden. Sie gelangen an Mund, Nase oder Augen, wenn man diese berührt.

COVID-19 - disease and symptoms

What are the main transmission paths?
- For close and longer contact: If you keep less than 2 metres away from a sick person for more than 15 minutes
- By droplet: If the sick person sneezes or coughs, the viruses can get directly onto the mucous membranes of other people's nose, mouth or eyes.
- Via the hands: Infectious droplets from coughing, sneezing or from contaminated surfaces may be on the hands. They reach the mouth, nose or eyes when you touch them.

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A bit long but an interesting scientific study on transmission and distancing


https://assets.publishing.service.go...g_Measures.pdf
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All it takes is someone to sneeze or cough and you can be infected within about 15 seconds if they are close to you. It is foolhardy for anyone to shrug off risk
The risk is related to chance of someone sneezing or coughing near you (especially nowadays!) and them being infected.

All it takes is someone infected to sneeze or cough while they cycle past you on a bike... by your logic, we should all stay inside at all times.

It's not about shrugging off risk (which is why I said that deliberately having meetings of up to fifteen minutes is stupid). The fifteen minutes is about reducing risk and not unduly worrying about casual interactions.

It's not about "great, we can meet up and huddle for fifteen minutes".
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The risk is related to chance of someone sneezing or coughing near you (especially nowadays!) and them being infected.

All it takes is someone infected to sneeze or cough while they cycle past you on a bike... by your logic, we should all stay inside at all times.

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Nope, if you follow the thread, I said it was foolhardy for people to sit facing each other at a table, not social distancing and not wearing masks, because a non existent so called rule said it was all good as long as the meeting wasn't longer than 15 minutes. If you also read the link I had posted, there was much written on the 2m social distancing rule and the risk associated
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Hi,
I saw 4 people I know having a meeting together around a table, probably less than 1m apart, for around 15 minutes.
I talked to the manager after, and said this wasn't really allowed under the current covid rules, as far as I was aware.
Aha, he said, it's ok if its less than 15 minutes, checkmate! (I am paraphrasing, of course).
I looked through the BAG rules, I can't find any "15 minute rule".
Has anyone heard of this rule? Sounds wrong to me.
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LOL. So first the distance was reduced to 1.5 meters and now the duration of proximity is 15 minutes. This virus truly is becoming weaker than the vulnerable age group.

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300, not 30.
IF being able to maintain 2m distance - but I find that highly improbable and near impossible to impose or exercise.
1.5 meters now.
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"The Federal Council is easing further measures. Many businesses and institutions are allowed to open and events are permitted, as long as they have appropriate precautionary measures in place. Continue to observe the hygiene and social distancing rules. The coronavirus should not be allowed to spread again." - Federal Office of Public Health FOPH

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Further information in English https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...es-bundes.html
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