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Luba 17.06.2020 13:33

moving to Switzerland from France
 
Dear all,
I am looking to move from Paris whuere i live with my kid who plays piano seriously (daily practices - noise pollution), and most likely will opt for some kind of artistic path in life . Shes ten.
France is not an ideal place for us as mentality doesnt suit me, school education sucks (very long days at school, learnign lots of useless things, very old school - by heart - no thinking learning system etc). I am failing to even want to meet someone to have a relationship (single for years now, I am only 32).
We have a dog and a cat as well. (is it an issue ?)
Kid eager to lern Germanic Swiss if necessary, she speaks 3 languages already, fluently.
I am eager to find myself in a dynamic place where I can create a circle of friends or at least meet interesting OPEN MINDED people (big lack of the latter here).
I work in finance .

We considered Scotland for a while, but Brexit + covid foced me to look for alternatives;
We are looking for a place thats smaller and less hectic and negative than Paris, with nature at our doorstep, access to good food (kid has intolerances), kid also has glasses (insurance matters), and good schools OR schools that will not take too much of the day time to copmpensate at home . I doubt I'll find 40K per year for an international school...

Please share your insights. thoughts. Observations. All is welcome .
Thank you !

st2lemans 17.06.2020 13:58

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School days are long here.

Tom

bowlie 17.06.2020 13:58

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Are you EU?

Island Monkey 17.06.2020 14:02

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Open minded? Switzerland? :rolleyes: Well definitely stick to the French part if that’s important!

Luba 17.06.2020 14:04

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3191730)
Are you EU?

Yes ! Just got our nationality. At last . :D

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 3191733)
Open minded? Switzerland? :rolleyes: Well definitely stick to the French part if that’s important!

Oh dear :msnsarcastic:.

you're British ? How does Switzerland copare to the UK ? (Broad question, I realise it but still...)

Jaceq 17.06.2020 14:13

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Originally Posted by Luba (Post 3191734)
Yes ! Just got our nationality. At last . :D


Ok so one problem to worry about less :)


Switzerland isn't... that open minded :) I'd say it's quite conservative (I live in German speaking part, maybe French / Italian speaking ones are a bit better).
As for school, in my case my kids are at school 4 days a week until 15:30 / 16:15 and on Wednesdays only until noon. Schools can vary though from town / city to another ones so you'd have to check in place where you endup.
Also, our school is ready to get kids with no German, they created DaZ (German as second language) classes for kids who need it and if kid speaks no German at all there is even option to get an extra year in our local DaZ Zentrum just to get up to speed.


As for finding friends... in 'locals' it's not always they easier, especially if you have language barrier, however having a local kid in local school / hort will help, we met quite a few parents from our area through kids.

Island Monkey 17.06.2020 14:40

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Originally Posted by Luba (Post 3191736)
Oh dear :msnsarcastic:.

you're British ? How does Switzerland copare to the UK ? (Broad question, I realise it but still...)

I’m also Swiss!!

Well it’s 2020 and Switzerland does not yet allow gay marriage and is not going to allow gay couples to adopt any time soon either (both possible in UK) so no, Switzerland as a whole is not open minded!

Edit: The east of Switzerland also often votes in favour of anti-immigration policies. Obviously there is this vibe in the UK with brexit, but I feel it is worse here.

NewInTownForever 17.06.2020 15:31

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Have you ever thought about Ireland?

MegsB 17.06.2020 15:51

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I don't think you'll find Switzerland more open-minded than France. A generalization, but a fair one. It's still a very conservative society. If you do move, definitely head for Geneva.

As for schools, I'm afraid you'll find more of the same (unimaginative learning processes) unless you opt for an international school.

As for the music? My neighbor was asked to have their child stop practicing in the flat. I spent the weekend watching him build a soundproof room in the cave. Shame, as she was quite good and I got a free concert every afternoon.

Definitely have lots of glorious, open space to enjoy though!

Axa 17.06.2020 16:02

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Lausanne and Genève are open minded. Lived 4 years in Neuchâtel and currently in Aargau. Neuchâtel is so special that Aarau feels open minded in comparison.

Luba 17.06.2020 16:32

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Originally Posted by NewInTownForever (Post 3191750)
Have you ever thought about Ireland?

I have def considered. A colleague moved there from Lisbon and oves it.
However Dublin sounds ridiculously expansive:eek:, rent especially but not just.
It would be best two be there 2 ppl two salaries, rather than 2 ppl one salary (In that respect Scotland looked better to me). :msncrazy:

greenmount 17.06.2020 16:46

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If you already speak French maybe it's more practical to look for a job etc in Geneva or Lausanne. I have two friends in Lausanne and they're very happy there. In the German cantons people are not very friendly (the locals) but at least they're correct and treat you with respect. As for the foreigners....there are different types and some are more insufferable than the "unfriendly" locals for sure. :D

Seriously, if you look for a sparkling social life....move to another country. :o

If you look for a nice salary and good quality life for you and your kiddo, this is an excellent place.

Tox_Rat 17.06.2020 17:11

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Originally Posted by Luba (Post 3191761)
I have def considered. A colleague moved there from Lisbon and oves it.
However Dublin sounds ridiculously expansive:eek:, rent especially but not just.
It would be best two be there 2 ppl two salaries, rather than 2 ppl one salary (In that respect Scotland looked better to me). :msncrazy:

If you think Dublin is expensive, wait until you see the cost of rent in Geneva! :eek:

Also, you should bear in mind that both you and your partner will require work permits in order to work here. This is easier because you have EU passports, but you won’t have the same freedom of movement/employment that you currently enjoy in the EU. Even if both of you will eventually work, you will probably have a significant period (could easily be 1-2 years) where only one of you is employed and the other is looking.

Switzerland has many benefits, but I think there is a mismatch between what you are looking for and what Switzerland has to offer. You should explore the forum here more to understand more about the pluses and minuses of the culture here and become more aware of the practicalities, especially the cost of living here, before making anything like a decision.

Luba 17.06.2020 17:25

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Originally Posted by Tox_Rat (Post 3191766)
If you think Dublin is expensive, wait until you see the cost of rent in Geneva! :eek:

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I am alone with child (no partner), like I stated above (which is why a "social life" is important - I don't want to stay single all my life :p and yes, I do know about rent prices in Switzerland as I have a friend and ex colleaugues in zurcih and Geneva. The salaries in Dublin are not equivalent to those in Switzerland...

However I am not making any decision yet, and yes, I am for now trying to obtain as much info as possible about all "potential" options. We are also visiting the German part this summer just to get the feel of it .

bowlie 17.06.2020 17:48

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Originally Posted by Luba (Post 3191770)
I am alone with child (no partner), like I stated above (which is why a "social life" is important - I don't want to stay single all my life :p and yes, I do know about rent prices in Switzerland as I have a friend and ex colleaugues in zurcih and Geneva. The salaries in Dublin are not equivalent to those in Switzerland...

However I am not making any decision yet, and yes, I am for now trying to obtain as much info as possible about all "potential" options. We are also visiting the German part this summer just to get the feel of it .

There is an imbalance between single women and single men in the Geneva/Lausanne region, particularly in the international community. Favouring Men.

Medea Fleecestealer 17.06.2020 18:19

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Have to ask this, but where is the child's father in all this? Do you have sole custody and, if not, is he okay with the child moving to another country?

Luba 17.06.2020 19:17

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Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 3191777)
Have to ask this, but where is the child's father in all this? Do you have sole custody and, if not, is he okay with the child moving to another country?

He has no say as he lost his authority and all parental rights years ago in court. I have sole custudy AND sole parental authority.
He lives on the other side of the country. I never said no when he wanted to see her which was maybe a total of 10 times in the past 8 years, each time lasting 2-3 hours. you get the picture.

Luba 17.06.2020 19:18

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Originally Posted by bowlie (Post 3191773)
there is an imbalance between single women and single men in the geneva/lausanne region, particularly in the international community. Favouring men.

:d:d:d

Medea Fleecestealer 17.06.2020 19:34

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Originally Posted by Luba (Post 3191791)
He has no say as he lost his authority and all parental rights years ago in court. I have sole custudy AND sole parental authority.
He lives on the other side of the country. I never said no when he wanted to see her which was maybe a total of 10 times in the past 8 years, each time lasting 2-3 hours. you get the picture.

That's good in many ways then. Otherwise you might have needed written permission from him to be able to move anywhere else.

What sort of job are you hoping to get? If you want French speaking then you could look at Neuchatel and Fribourg cantons as well. They would probably be cheaper than Geneva or Lausanne. Valais canton too might be a possible place to look to move to.

As far as finding a place with kid, dog and cat in tow, well check and double check that your pets would be welcome. Get it written into the rental contract if possible. Cats aren't usually a problem, but dogs are another story sometimes. What breed of dog is it? Some cantons don't allow certain breeds and in Zurich canton you're also required to do some dog training courses if you dog is over a certain height/weight. You'll need to register your dog with the commune/gemeinde and pay a tax. It was also be a good idea to take out some doggy damage insurance as part of your contents/liability insurance.

https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...rocedures.html

Island Monkey 17.06.2020 19:39

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If you really fancy Scotland, then go for it.... you have 6 months to make it happen. I wouldn’t rule out London either if you are in finance. Might be easier to get a job there in 6 months, then once you have settled status you can easily head up to Scotland later.


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