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you're getting a very high uplift on your UK salary, it's a very good deal, don't even bother thinking too much

you can always save money by going to Germany for large purchases, and with careful budgeting you will have plenty left

shopping in Zurich is unnecessarily expensive, so you may want to shop when you're back in the UK or in the nearby Germany or France
Personally, I find it incredibly cheeky for someone to come to Switzerland for a high salary and then to do their shopping in another country. Businesses in your local community need to exist so show appreciation and support by shopping there.
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Personally, I find it incredibly cheeky for someone to come to Switzerland for a high salary and then to do their shopping in another country. Businesses in your local community need to exist so show appreciation and support by shopping there.
But this is not followed through on the supply chain. In fact the local, in an astonishing turn of events, actually did a good article on this (https://lenews.ch/2020/01/08/switzer...ns-most-think/) demonstrating that the end to end cost of putting food on shelves in Switzerland is not higher than German or neighbouring countries and the reason for the high prices is simply profiteering. Of course they let people play the "but its switzerland and we must support our local businesses" line because it helps them, but like most organizations they are out to get as high a profit as they can.

So shop in germany, guilt free I say. Or france, in my case.
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But this is not followed through on the supply chain. In fact the local, in an astonishing turn of events, actually did a good article on this (https://lenews.ch/2020/01/08/switzer...ns-most-think/) demonstrating that the end to end cost of putting food on shelves in Switzerland is not higher than German or neighbouring countries and the reason for the high prices is simply profiteering. Of course they let people play the "but its switzerland and we must support our local businesses" line because it helps them, but like most organizations they are out to get as high a profit as they can.

So shop in germany, guilt free I say. Or france, in my case.
Shopping at Aldi or Lidl in Switzerland can also reduce a lot of the cost differential though and AFAIK they pay their staff comparably to the Swiss chains. The article also admits that it ignores the costs of rental and ownership of buildings. A lot of Coop/Migros are in prime locations in Switzerland, which will make those costs IMO have more of an impact than the article suggests.
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Personally, I find it incredibly cheeky for someone to come to Switzerland for a high salary and then to do their shopping in another country. Businesses in your local community need to exist so show appreciation and support by shopping there.
But it's a two way street.

A business has to earn a customer's loyalty first. Not the other way around. It's incumbent on the business to make me want to shop with them.

If a local business can offer what I want, when I want it, at a price that represents a fair value for the quality, with decent customer service, I will shop there.

But if a local business does not offer what I want, can't meet my time scale, charges outrageous prices for poor quality, and is rude to customers... nope, I'll be spending my hard earned somewhere else, with a good conscience.

I regularly shop at the local businesses that do the former well. Those that fall into the latter category? If they are struggling they need to take a sharp look at their own attitudes and practices.
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But if a local business does not offer what I want, can't meet my time scale, charges outrageous prices for poor quality, and is rude to customers... nope, I'll be spending my hard earned somewhere else, with a good conscience.

I regularly shop at the local businesses that do the former well. Those that fall into the latter category? If they are struggling they need to take a sharp look at their own attitudes and practices.
Meloncollie,

I don't disagree with you and those failing businesses you have listed are doing poorly for a reason. However, I'm still in the "support your local business when possible" camp. I have many aquaintances whose livelihood depends on retail jobs in the community.
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But if a local business does not offer what I want, can't meet my time scale, charges outrageous prices for poor quality, and is rude to customers... nope, I'll be spending my hard earned somewhere else, with a good conscience.
Same!

After living in Basel for many years, I never thought twice about going to France and Germany for groceries as in Basel, the selection and quality were limited and the workers were all German and French anyway (and not very focused on customer service).

Here in Bern, the Coop and Migros are superior. Far better selection and quality and the shop ladies even know me by name. I am a proud customer of the local economy and I don't miss my cross border shopping at all (maybe the prices).
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Here in Bern, the Coop and Migros are superior. Far better selection and quality and the shop ladies even know me by name. I am a proud customer of the local economy and I don't miss my cross border shopping at all (maybe the prices).
So shopping at a large, national chain of supermarkets counts as „supporting the local economy“?
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So shopping at a large, national chain of supermarkets counts as „supporting the local economy“?
Absolutely, do you know how Migros and Coop work? Each canton has a separate cooperative that works with local canton resources. It is far better in Bern. Of course I also support smaller local businesses too when I can.
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You see - there is the thing. One person thinks 140K CHF is high, and another thinks not. Hence the reason I put up details of my lifestyle.

From people I know in CH - the salary range I was told was good is 100K - 150K CHF, but I am a lawyer of more than 10 + years' PQE and I was told I should be asking for 150K - 175K CHF!

Anyway, thank you all so much for your time and advice. It is much appreciated.

Of course, more is welcome. Have a good week.
No no no, let's be clear on these things: 140k/year for a single person is OK. Not a very high salary for Zurich, Switzerland but still....it will definitely provide you a nice life style.

I'd say - take it. If you can negotiate something on top of it, the better. But....salaries are not what they used to be. My reference point is the IT sector and when I read on EF what some people are offered these days....I think you're lucky.

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Personally, I find it incredibly cheeky for someone to come to Switzerland for a high salary and then to do their shopping in another country. Businesses in your local community need to exist so show appreciation and support by shopping there.
I won't comment on other people's decisions about how to spend their own money, however, shopping across the border might be a thing when you live close to one, otherwise you lose a lot of time and...money too imho - you know the feeling "oh, I'm here so let's make this trip worthwhile" and then buy 5 times more things than what you really need? We might be incredibly naive people, but for us as a family it was never a real thing. I can count maximum two shopping trips in Germany or France per year and maybe not even that. I think eating out there and visiting places too made those trips worthwhile. Anyways, each to their own.

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Thank you to all the contributors - even the ones that went a bit of topic! Some interesting information.

Have a good week!
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Hi - first-time poster,

I am about to negotiate a salary, but a challenge I have is that I am not sure what a good salary in Zurich is. I feel really silly being in this situation, but, despite researching this, I am not sure what a good salary is. I appreciate that it is subjective, so, I will try and explain what I mean.

I am single, but I wish to meet someone. I am a lawyer. I am 42 years old. I wish to live in, at worst, a decent apartment in a decent area. Ideally, I would like to have two bedrooms.

Regarding lifestyle, I want to be able to go to the cinema (which I know in relation to the UK is expensive), go to gigs, take part in a few sports, and eat out in mid-range restaurants maybe 3 times a month.

I also want to be able to get away from Zurich for a weekend once a month. Short flight/train journey away. I am more than happy to stay in mid-range hotels and do normal tourist activities.

I shop in the upper end of the high street, but rarely go crazy. I am not a label-orientated person.

I may want to own a car, e.g. a VW Golf.


I also wish to save money.

My current salary in the UK is £55,000, and with that I am able to do all of what I describe above.

I don't want to accept a figure thinking it is great, and then discover I am struggling.

I think I might be offered 140,000 CHF - will that be enough? Let me know your thoughts, they will be very much appreciated.

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Many Swiss shop across the border. Why should foreigners be a special case?

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No no no, let's be clear on these things: 140k/year for a single person is OK. Not a very high salary for Zurich, Switzerland but still....it will definitely provide you a nice life style.

I'd say - take it. If you can negotiate something on top of it, the better. But....salaries are not what they used to be. My reference point is the IT sector and when I read on EF what some people are offered these days....I think you're lucky.



I won't comment on other people's decisions about how to spend their own money, however, shopping across the border might be a thing when you live close to one, otherwise you lose a lot of time and...money too imho - you know the feeling "oh, I'm here so let's make this trip worthwhile" and then buy 5 times more things than what you really need? We might be incredibly naive people, but for us as a family it was never a real thing. I can count maximum two shopping trips in Germany or France per year and maybe not even that. I think eating out there and visiting places too made those trips worthwhile. Anyways, each to their own.
The stuff thats bought across the border is generally badly made German junk or German food. Juk!!
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Many Swiss shop across the border. Why should foreigners be a special case?
There's no surprise certain groups are always held to a higher standard.....hence I personally didn't even think it's worth asking the obvious.

I agree with the idea of buying local products and supporting the local economy, however, I don't really like the feeling that we somehow must do that not because we want and think it's fair, but because we're some sort of second class citizens who brought nothing to the table and must do everything we can to show our appreciation.

It might come as a surprise to some, but many here are net tax payers, never claimed unemployment benefits or other social benefits, hence, when I see this type of posts I can't stop feeling a bit outraged, even though I might be more Swiss than many Swiss themselves if you judge by the way where we spend most of our money.
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I mainly buy locally as there is a supermarket 100yds from the front door.

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There's no surprise certain groups are always held to a higher standard.....hence I personally didn't even think it's worth asking the obvious.

I agree with the idea of buying local products and supporting the local economy, however, I don't really like the feeling that we somehow must do that not because we want and think it's fair, but because we're some sort of second class citizens who brought nothing to the table and must do everything we can to show our appreciation.

It might come as a surprise to some, but many here are net tax payers, never claimed unemployment benefits or other social benefits, hence, when I see this type of posts I can't stop feeling a bit outraged, even though I might be more Swiss than many Swiss themselves if you judge by the way where we spend most of our money.
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There's no surprise certain groups are always held to a higher standard.....hence I personally didn't even think it's worth asking the obvious.

I agree with the idea of buying local products and supporting the local economy, however, I don't really like the feeling that we somehow must do that not because we want and think it's fair, but because we're some sort of second class citizens who brought nothing to the table and must do everything we can to show our appreciation.

It might come as a surprise to some, but many here are net tax payers, never claimed unemployment benefits or other social benefits, hence, when I see these post I can't stop feeling a bit outraged, even though I might be more Swiss than many Swiss themselves if you judge by the way where we spend most of our money.
Local economy. Thats a joke. The economy is under the control of the international chains making their milliärden.
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Local economy. Thats a joke. The economy is under the control of the international chains making their milliärden.
Partially true.
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Partially true.
Shopping across the border for example in Constace is more just something to do for the day-a Tagesausflug. Nothing else.
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Partially true.
I agree, partially true. In our village there's not much, but in the nearby village there's a cheese shop (sorry grumpy!), a bakery and a butcher. In addition to meats, the butcher carries some local farmer-produced milk products like ice cream and yogurt. So those places often get my business. However for household stuff and whatnot, the big 3 end up getting my money because there's simply nowhere else. I don't live anywhere near a border and it's not worthwhile to go there just for a shop, even once a month.

Back to OP - shop over the border if you want, or not. If you're making 2.5-3x what you make in the UK you'll be fine either way.
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Many Swiss shop across the border. Why should foreigners be a special case?
I agree.

I still stand in my conviction that when possible, buy local. I'm not against an occasional shopping spree over the border but regularly shopping in Germany while receiving a Swiss salary ultimately hurts the local Swiss economy.
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