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Old 06.07.2020, 13:09
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I agree.

I still stand in my conviction that when possible, buy local. I'm not against an occasional shopping spree over the border but regularly shopping in Germany while receiving a Swiss salary ultimately hurts the local Swiss economy.
No, it keeps the Migros/Coop monopoly in check. They are keenly aware of lost business due to cross-border shopping and adjust prices accordingly knowing that most Swiss residents have to travel 30-60 minutes or more to get to a border (multiply 0.70 CHFs cost per kilometer travelled). It is purely about maximizing profits, but in our capitalistic society, why expect anything else? If you want to be patriotic, buy direct from your local (highly-subsidized) farmer. It's all about money.
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No, it keeps the Migros/Coop monopoly in check. They are keenly aware of lost business due to cross-border shopping and adjust prices accordingly knowing that most Swiss residents have to travel 30-60 minutes or more to get to a border (multiply 0.70 CHFs cost per kilometer travelled). It is purely about maximizing profits, but in our capitalistic society, why expect anything else? If you want to be patriotic, buy direct from your local (highly-subsidized) farmer. It's all about money.
However, the salary you receive is also higher than in another country and yet, I don't hear any complaints about that. That's one reason why I support buying at local business. Moreover, those business also supply apprenticeships that offer a livelihood for many young people. Germany doesn't do that.
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Moreover, those business also supply apprenticeships that offer a livelihood for many young people. Germany doesn't do that.

Sorry, that happens also in Germany (Ausbildung zum Einzelhandelskaufmann/frau)
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However, the salary you receive is also higher than in another country and yet, I don't hear any complaints about that. That's one reason why I support buying at local business. Moreover, those business also supply apprenticeships that offer a livelihood for many young people. Germany doesn't do that.
In fact the same kind of thing does exist from a salary perspective - job roles get outsourced to lower cost countries, the equivalent of swiss companies shopping across the border - which ultimately drives down wages here in Switzerland.

Its all really a game of who blinks first. retailers say they have to have high prices to survive (not true) and anyway we get high salaries. We say "if they lowered their prices we wouldn't have to shop across the border". but neither is prepared really to budge: the retailers will always try and drive profit from you while minimizing their supply chain cost, the consumer will always search for the lowest price.

In the end market forces decide as was mentioned earlier - if prices are too high here and too many people are going to france of germany they adjust accordingly.

I also wouldn't be too bought in by local producers who are only in it for the good of their community. This may exist in some smaller proportion of cases but I'm afraid even at the smaller scale end of the market, the intention will always to be able to maximize profit because after all, this is their salary in effect.
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Sorry, that happens also in Germany (Ausbildung zum Einzelhandelskaufmann/frau)
Why would I sponsor that in Germany? I live here. I'm..uhm, about 99% sure the Swiss don't give a shite about auslanders being "patriotic" and buying local and locally (that in the thin eventuality they're even aware of our contributions but hey ho), however, what seems to be right (to me) is right.
Anyways, as said before, each should do whatever they like with their money. I never expected anything in return not even "appreciations".
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Can I ask what you landed on or ballpark figure? You mentioned you think you'll be offered 140k but was it higher or lower or in that range? Just curious.
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Why would I sponsor that in Germany? I live here.
You are missing the point. The argument was that Swiss shops are more expensive as they properly train staff. The reply pointed out that the cheaper neighboring countries do the exact same... anyways: groceries as a patriotic duty is a very Swiss view. The sort of thing most Europeans find somehow cute till they understand how serious the Swiss are about it.
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You are missing the point. The argument was that Swiss shops are more expensive as they properly train staff. The reply pointed out that the cheaper neighboring countries do the exact same... anyways: groceries as a patriotic duty is a very Swiss view. The sort of thing most Europeans find somehow cute till they understand how serious the Swiss are about it.
I think it is misleading to use the words patriotic duty.

How about concern for the structures you are embedded in.

Right now in Britain a lot of people are getting their knickers in a twist over things like chlornated chicken. In Germany too this has been a concern and there have been marches against any sort of trade deal that might bring that sort of thing to Germany. So it's not as if the Germans don't care about such things. Or think it's a particularly cute Swiss thing as you say.

The bottom line here is that there are different levels of animal welfare and environmental and consumer protection in different countries, and these are effectively created by the political system we are in. If you buy stuff directly from abroad you are effectively accepting the norms and regulations of another country, with the good as well as the bad.

It's like people in the US who bang on about slavery and tear down statues of people who lived 150 years ago but have no qualms about buing a phone that was made in China by Foxconn.

In some cases we have no alternatives but have to accept. In some cases we do have a choice and we can put our money where our mouth is.

I wonder how many people who complained when the farmer next door sold his land meaning houses got built there blocking their view of the lake, I wonder how many of those people actually ever bought that farmer's potatoes, or did anything else that could have helped him stay in business?
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Re: Good salary in Zurich

Thank Goodness more and more people are supporting local farmers.

My question is: how many people came to Switzerland because their offered salary was higher here than what they'd get in their home country?
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Thank Goodness more and more people are supporting local farmers.

My question is: how many people came to Switzerland because their offered salary was higher here than what they'd get in their home country?
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Re: Good salary in Zurich

Me neither.

I still love our local farm.
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Re: Good salary in Zurich

As always the big question: "Are prices so high because people earn so much or do people earn so much because prices are so high?
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Re: Good salary in Zurich

We don't earn that much more, and things are not that expensive if you earn and shop in Swiss Francs. The "problem" is the over-valued Swiss Franc. It has been ranked consistently as the most overvalued currency in the world for decades.

This means as compared to cost of goods and services when converted to foreign currencies, we think we are being "ripped off". The reality is that since WW2 (and Switzerland's lack of involvement in it), the Swiss Franc is considered around the world as a safe haven currency that will always hold it's value, if not increase, which has been the case. This makes demand for Swiss Francs high, especially for the mega-rich (Arab oil money, US and UK business tycoons, African dictators, etc.). Suppy vs. demand means the value of the Franc shoots up, and we who live here suffer the ramifications of the overvalued currency. This of course presents the unique opportunity to shop across the border for 50% less. I do it too, why not? It's legal.
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We don't earn that much more, and things are not that expensive if you earn and shop in Swiss Francs. The "problem" is the over-valued Swiss Franc. It has been ranked consistently as the most overvalued currency in the world for decades.

This means as compared to cost of goods and services when converted to foreign currencies, we think we are being "ripped off". The reality is that since WW2 (and Switzerland's lack of involvement in it), the Swiss Franc is considered around the world as a safe haven currency that will always hold it's value, if not increase, which has been the case. This makes demand for Swiss Francs high, especially for the mega-rich (Arab oil money, US and UK business tycoons, African dictators, etc.). Suppy vs. demand means the value of the Franc shoots up, and we who live here suffer the ramifications of the overvalued currency. This of course presents the unique opportunity to shop across the border for 50% less. I do it too, why not? It's legal.
A strong Swiss franc increases your purchasing power across the border, but also should in theory keep the cost of imported goods low.
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A strong Swiss franc increases your purchasing power across the border, but also should in theory keep the cost of imported goods low.
Imported goods still need local logistics, importers and retail outlets to stock and sell them which adds significantly to the end-price. This is not the case for mail order which bypasses local costs, which is why the Swiss government adds significant import duties to goods ordered online from abroad (exception: China! A free trade agreement in place since 2013, meaning order to your heart's content with no import duties, eg. aliexpress.com)
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Imported goods still need local logistics, importers and retail outlets to stock and sell them which adds significantly to the end-price. This is not the case for mail order which bypasses local costs, which is why the Swiss government adds significant import duties to goods ordered online from abroad (exception: China! A free trade agreement in place since 2013, meaning order to your heart's content with no import duties, eg. aliexpress.com)
So technically if the Swiss government is undermining their retailers why should the rest of us care an awful lot?
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Imported goods still need local logistics, importers and retail outlets to stock and sell them which adds significantly to the end-price.
Sure, some percentage.

Explain me quickly how this turns a EUR 7.45 bottle of sun block into a CHF 14.00 one...

https://www.dm.de/nivea-sun-sonnenmi...900246905.html

https://www.coop.ch/de/drogerie/sonn...sf50/p/3544912

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Imported goods still need local logistics, importers and retail outlets to stock and sell them which adds significantly to the end-price. This is not the case for mail order which bypasses local costs, which is why the Swiss government adds significant import duties to goods ordered online from abroad (exception: China! A free trade agreement in place since 2013, meaning order to your heart's content with no import duties, eg. aliexpress.com)
No import duties for EU, either.

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A strong Swiss franc increases your purchasing power across the border, but also should in theory keep the cost of imported goods low.
The cost of imported goods is low. Otherwise there would be no point in importing them.
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