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blueturtle 02.07.2020 14:22

SUV dilema
 
Having short listed the car, options etc, I have been brooding over this choice for quite a while now. Seeking your opinion based on your experience.

BWM X3 20D M sport
or BMW X3 M40i

There is a huge performance jump, at the reasonably high cost (considered higher insurance & road tax)

The question is, M40i is so tempting, but as I do most of the travels with family (2 kids), do I really get to appreciate its value?

The speed limits in CH does not help much.

What is your experience. I know it is a personal choice, but as some one who use SUV for personal use, do you frequently wish your car had extra power?

Thanks.

k_and_e 02.07.2020 14:31

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The 20d is of course the more sensible choice.
I would not go for the X3 M40i. If you want a performance version, then better go for the M340i.

Guest 02.07.2020 14:35

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I have an X3 2.5, and tbh the thing has more power than I likely ever will need, and also more than enough speed. (Fuel usage is insanely high btw on top speed on such cars)

It is a lot of extra money for an indeed much more powerful car, but many people overestimate how much they would need the extra power/speed. Let's say you'd use the kick down 20 times while owning the car, that's like 1.000 bucks per time you use it :P

For the price difference you could also every year rent a Lamborghini and have a fun day in Germany to get rid of the testosterone.

komsomolez 02.07.2020 14:44

Re: SUV dilema
 
Why are you choosing between a small Diesel and a powerful petrol engine? I would suggest a good compromise could be the 30d. I have a 330d (still the 6 cyl version) and it offers all the power you (never) need and cosumes under 7 liters.

jamon8 02.07.2020 15:04

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If money is not an issue, go for 4.0. The feeling that you can push and leave that **** behind you, is as valuable as those couple of times per year, when you will actually do it.

NickGB 02.07.2020 15:35

Re: SUV dilema
 
Go for the more powerful one. If not you will always think back and question why you didnít. The M40i is likely also to have more standard features that you will need to option on the other car, so the price differential might not be as great as first appears.

I did a quick configuration and with similar spec the 2.0i comes in at CHF85k, the M40i at CHF102k and the X3M at CHF111k.

On top of that Binelli currently have a bunch of brand new M40is starting at CHF84k (list, CHF101k)

Ato 02.07.2020 15:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NickGB (Post 3195995)
The M40i is likely also to have more standard features that you will need to option on the other car, so the price differential might not be as great as first appears.

Thats true enough actually, higher engine models normally come with a raft of higher spec options as standard. I've no idea if that's applicable to this model but it'd be worth a bit of research.

Don Molina 02.07.2020 16:22

Re: SUV dilema
 
Power is nice because it makes the car (and the trips) feel effortless.

The argument "the speed limit is 120, why do you need anything that is faster than that" is clearly reductive. If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed, that is clearly annoying.

That being said, BMW offers quite a bit of range between the two extremes you're discussing. I would also like to point out that the idea of a sporty SUV is quite absurd and just makes it uncomfortable without gaining much.

If you want a sportier experience, get a nice sporty sedan like a 3 series.
If you want a fast SUV, just get a bigger diesel engine, and it will have some pace, without the harsh suspension.
If you want a "sport SUV", you're going to get something that feels sporty in all the wrong ways

Tom1234 02.07.2020 16:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Molina (Post 3196013)

The argument "the speed limit is 120, why do you need anything that is faster than that" is clearly reductive. If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed, that is clearly annoying.

If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed then I'm clearly not in a car.

Perhaps I'm riding a horse, or I'm on a donkey.

Ato 02.07.2020 16:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 3196018)
If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed then I'm clearly not in a car.

Perhaps I'm riding a horse, or I'm on a donkey.

You should put that horse out to stud if he gets up to 120 in a minute. Or he might be Shergarred by the horse racing Illuminati.

GParker 02.07.2020 16:35

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The 20d is the sensible choice, enough power, light on fuel. The M40i is the petrol head version, nice, quiet, silky smooth in-line 6. Youíll be using >12 l/100km around town though. Take a look at the 30D. sits nicely between the two.

Don Molina 02.07.2020 16:37

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Obviously exaggerating to illustrate a point; happy to see EF focusing on the important things :D

NickGB 02.07.2020 16:52

Re: SUV dilema
 
M40d? All the power and some economy?

komsomolez 02.07.2020 17:07

Re: SUV dilema
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NickGB (Post 3196030)
M40d? All the power and some economy?

The upcharge to the 30d is not worth it, imo. Engine is essentially the same. Nice car though.

litespeed 02.07.2020 17:08

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https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...law-fines.html

Just sayin'.....

Landers 02.07.2020 18:21

Re: SUV dilema
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blueturtle (Post 3195979)

The question is, M40i is so tempting, but as I do most of the travels with family (2 kids), do I really get to appreciate its value?


No.


I used to have my M3 here - total waste but I'm not sure I could bring myself to buy a 2l diesel.



BTW the X3 M40i is a 3l turbo, an X330ti if you will, so not like the old-school 4+l V8s.

Neko 02.07.2020 18:38

Re: SUV dilema
 
One more thing is whether the kids enjoy the speed or whether they notice the firmer suspension / harsher ride of the M-series, even with the suspension set to comfort.

blueturtle 02.07.2020 20:25

Re: SUV dilema
 
Thank you all for the thoughtful replies.

The price difference was not much (compared to performance increase).

Wont travel much within city and not planning to thrash it all the time.
So, mileage is not an issue.

20D M sport suspension is on firmer side. Where as M40i adaptive suspension makes it smooth when in comfy mode.

Had a detailed chat with the better half and decided to go for M40i.
(The winning argument went like this - it is good for comfort, wont upset kids, allows me to have some fun when I can, and most importantly, the next car could be an electric, even autonomous :cool:)

cheers

Landers 02.07.2020 20:27

Re: SUV dilema
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neko (Post 3196071)
One more thing is whether the kids enjoy the speed or whether they notice the firmer suspension / harsher ride of the M-series, even with the suspension set to comfort.


It's not an M-series :msntongue: but yeah probably does have a bad ride.

NickGB 03.07.2020 06:33

Re: SUV dilema
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blueturtle (Post 3196096)
Had a detailed chat with the better half and decided to go for M40i.

Nice! Also, donít forget that power is a safety feature!!!


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