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SUV dilema

Having short listed the car, options etc, I have been brooding over this choice for quite a while now. Seeking your opinion based on your experience.

BWM X3 20D M sport
or BMW X3 M40i

There is a huge performance jump, at the reasonably high cost (considered higher insurance & road tax)

The question is, M40i is so tempting, but as I do most of the travels with family (2 kids), do I really get to appreciate its value?

The speed limits in CH does not help much.

What is your experience. I know it is a personal choice, but as some one who use SUV for personal use, do you frequently wish your car had extra power?

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Re: SUV dilema

The 20d is of course the more sensible choice.
I would not go for the X3 M40i. If you want a performance version, then better go for the M340i.
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Re: SUV dilema

I have an X3 2.5, and tbh the thing has more power than I likely ever will need, and also more than enough speed. (Fuel usage is insanely high btw on top speed on such cars)

It is a lot of extra money for an indeed much more powerful car, but many people overestimate how much they would need the extra power/speed. Let's say you'd use the kick down 20 times while owning the car, that's like 1.000 bucks per time you use it :P

For the price difference you could also every year rent a Lamborghini and have a fun day in Germany to get rid of the testosterone.
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Re: SUV dilema

Why are you choosing between a small Diesel and a powerful petrol engine? I would suggest a good compromise could be the 30d. I have a 330d (still the 6 cyl version) and it offers all the power you (never) need and cosumes under 7 liters.
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Re: SUV dilema

If money is not an issue, go for 4.0. The feeling that you can push and leave that **** behind you, is as valuable as those couple of times per year, when you will actually do it.
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Re: SUV dilema

Go for the more powerful one. If not you will always think back and question why you didnít. The M40i is likely also to have more standard features that you will need to option on the other car, so the price differential might not be as great as first appears.

I did a quick configuration and with similar spec the 2.0i comes in at CHF85k, the M40i at CHF102k and the X3M at CHF111k.

On top of that Binelli currently have a bunch of brand new M40is starting at CHF84k (list, CHF101k)
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The M40i is likely also to have more standard features that you will need to option on the other car, so the price differential might not be as great as first appears.
Thats true enough actually, higher engine models normally come with a raft of higher spec options as standard. I've no idea if that's applicable to this model but it'd be worth a bit of research.
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Re: SUV dilema

Power is nice because it makes the car (and the trips) feel effortless.

The argument "the speed limit is 120, why do you need anything that is faster than that" is clearly reductive. If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed, that is clearly annoying.

That being said, BMW offers quite a bit of range between the two extremes you're discussing. I would also like to point out that the idea of a sporty SUV is quite absurd and just makes it uncomfortable without gaining much.

If you want a sportier experience, get a nice sporty sedan like a 3 series.
If you want a fast SUV, just get a bigger diesel engine, and it will have some pace, without the harsh suspension.
If you want a "sport SUV", you're going to get something that feels sporty in all the wrong ways
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The argument "the speed limit is 120, why do you need anything that is faster than that" is clearly reductive. If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed, that is clearly annoying.
If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed then I'm clearly not in a car.

Perhaps I'm riding a horse, or I'm on a donkey.
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If I need 1 minute to get to a normal speed then I'm clearly not in a car.

Perhaps I'm riding a horse, or I'm on a donkey.
You should put that horse out to stud if he gets up to 120 in a minute. Or he might be Shergarred by the horse racing Illuminati.
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Re: SUV dilema

The 20d is the sensible choice, enough power, light on fuel. The M40i is the petrol head version, nice, quiet, silky smooth in-line 6. Youíll be using >12 l/100km around town though. Take a look at the 30D. sits nicely between the two.
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Re: SUV dilema

Obviously exaggerating to illustrate a point; happy to see EF focusing on the important things
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Re: SUV dilema

M40d? All the power and some economy?
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M40d? All the power and some economy?
The upcharge to the 30d is not worth it, imo. Engine is essentially the same. Nice car though.
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Re: SUV dilema

https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...law-fines.html

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The question is, M40i is so tempting, but as I do most of the travels with family (2 kids), do I really get to appreciate its value?

No.


I used to have my M3 here - total waste but I'm not sure I could bring myself to buy a 2l diesel.



BTW the X3 M40i is a 3l turbo, an X330ti if you will, so not like the old-school 4+l V8s.
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Re: SUV dilema

One more thing is whether the kids enjoy the speed or whether they notice the firmer suspension / harsher ride of the M-series, even with the suspension set to comfort.
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Re: SUV dilema

Thank you all for the thoughtful replies.

The price difference was not much (compared to performance increase).

Wont travel much within city and not planning to thrash it all the time.
So, mileage is not an issue.

20D M sport suspension is on firmer side. Where as M40i adaptive suspension makes it smooth when in comfy mode.

Had a detailed chat with the better half and decided to go for M40i.
(The winning argument went like this - it is good for comfort, wont upset kids, allows me to have some fun when I can, and most importantly, the next car could be an electric, even autonomous )

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One more thing is whether the kids enjoy the speed or whether they notice the firmer suspension / harsher ride of the M-series, even with the suspension set to comfort.

It's not an M-series but yeah probably does have a bad ride.
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Had a detailed chat with the better half and decided to go for M40i.
Nice! Also, donít forget that power is a safety feature!!!
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