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I guess you haven't heard change bells recently?

I wouldn't mind them coming down. Religion should be a private affair, not for public consumption IMO.
Anymore "shoulds"?

I understand that it is your opinion but there are so many who will disagree with that, I think. And they don't even have to be religious. Maybe they love history..childhood..nostalgia, you name it.

Another thing is that your vision of "private affair" might be too private for your neighbor, or not private enough.

So, "shoulds" are quite a questionable way to go about changing something. Understanding is better.

Btw - regarding your "public consumption", religion was made as a common thing that unites people, it is a social affair, always been. Aside of practical reasons (time), bells remind people that they aren't alone in their faith. I am not religious but it is not hard to understand it. Maybe if you think when you hear them - that they aren't talking to you but to others and it is quite significant, it will become more tolerable? On a larger scale, that sounds occupies only a fraction of the time, the rest is silence.


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The bells are to remind you to repent your sins
How do you know that FlyingDove needs to repent?

I don't really think of anyone's sins when I hear bells..more of an art of bell-making, or other people's spirituality, thousands of years of tradition, etc. Bells are artefacts, really. The noise they make is signature and I like that there is symbolism behind it all. I prefer that to cellphone or any digital, unoriginal sound bites.
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Anymore "shoulds"?

I understand that it is your opinion but there are so many who will disagree with that, I think. And they don't even have to be religious. Maybe they love history..childhood..nostalgia, you name it.

Another thing is that your vision of "private affair" might be too private for your neighbor, or not private enough.

So, "shoulds" are quite a questionable way to go about changing something. Understanding is better.

Btw - regarding your "public consumption", religion was made as a common thing that unites people, it is a social affair, always been. Aside of practical reasons (time), bells remind people that they aren't alone in their faith. I am not religious but it is not hard to understand it. Maybe if you think when you hear them - that they aren't talking to you but to others and it is quite significant, it will become more tolerable? On a larger scale, that sounds occupies only a fraction of the time, the rest is silence.




How do you know that FlyingDove needs to repent?

I don't really think of anyone's sins when I hear bells..more of an art of bell-making, or other people's spirituality, thousands of years of tradition, etc. Bells are artefacts, really. The noise they make is signature and I like that there is symbolism behind it all. I prefer that to cellphone or any digital, unoriginal sound bites.
The noise they make is signature. So you admit they are noisy

My relationship with the the church ended when I was 10. At the Sunday school the teacher mentioned the prophet Amos at which I exclaimed " and Andy". He slapped me across the face! And so it ended.

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Religion uniting people is ridiculous. It's been used to separate and kill people for millennia. If you want a unifying force, you can pick anything. I could claim agriculture and condoms unify people.
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I recently moved in the centre of Lausanne. A few days in I discovered an unexpected source of annoyance. Bells. Every morning at 8, even on weekends. How do people even live with them? Don't they ever want to sleep longer? Especially now that it's summer and you want to sleep with windows open.

What's the big deal about the bells in Switzerland? It's otherwise such a quiet country, and all of a sudden this.

Any tips for soundproofing the window? I can't do any major reengineering like removing them and installing a new one since I'm renting the place. Any solution like soundproof curtains or blinds?

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Its on my list of things to avoid while looking to buy a house...churches, dog rescue centers, railways, asbestos roofs, old school electric heating...

When looking through the pictues for a flat, a pictoresk church tower visible through a window is not cute, its a red flag !
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I couldn’t help laughing at a complaint about 8am church bells! In my village, the bell rings to mark every 15 minutes - day & night. At 6am, there’s the usual 4 rings followed by 6 to mark the hour, and a minute later starts the continual ringing for about five minutes. This was traditionally the alarm call for any lazy Swiss who weren’t already up before 6am😊.
Where I live the people are more relaxed, it's at 7 the "wake up you lazy sod!" chorus rings out.

Oh, and at 11 ... and again at 7pm.

That's not mentioning the quarter-hour chimes, and also the "You've got 15 minutes to get to church before the service starts!" at 10:15 on a Sunday (this is for the second service of the day, the first one is earlier but without the bells) ... and yes, I sometimes see people start running up the hill opposite my place when those bells ring, to get in the door on time.

I like the bells, they remind me to look up from my computer screen periodically while working - give my eyes a chance to take in the lovely view outside.
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Where I live the people are more relaxed, it's at 7 the "wake up you lazy sod!" chorus rings out.

Oh, and at 11 ... and again at 7pm.

That's not mentioning the quarter-hour chimes, and also the "You've got 15 minutes to get to church before the service starts!" at 10:15 on a Sunday (this is for the second service of the day, the first one is earlier but without the bells) ... and yes, I sometimes see people start running up the hill opposite my place when those bells ring, to get in the door on time.

I like the bells, they remind me to look up from my computer screen periodically while working - give my eyes a chance to take in the lovely view outside.
Thanfully one is not in Germany where they blast out the Muslim call for prayer as well

But I must admit when I was in Afghanistan I really liked the singing in the morning! It reminded me to get on with the next joint

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Re: How to live next to a church?

I would miss the bells if they were to stop ringing. I find them musical, traditional, historical, useful for telling time, a sound that tells me the location of the church and a reminder that I'm living in Switzerland.

In other words, I find them beautiful to hear.
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The noise they make is signature. So you admit they are noisy

My relationship with the the church ended when I was 10. At the Sunday school the teacher mentioned the prophet Amos at which I exclaimed " and Andy". He slapped me across the face! And so it ended.
Not to mention that my school ( a top grammar school ) reverend used to beat the students ( including myself ) on a regular basis with his cane stick
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I would miss the bells if they were to stop ringing. I find them musical, traditional, historical, useful for telling time, a sound that tells me the location of the church and a reminder that I'm living in Switzerland.

In other words, I find them beautiful to hear.
I find AC/DC musical, can I play it day and night so that the entire village can hear it? To hell with anybody else.
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I find AC/DC musical, can I play it day and night so that the entire village can hear it? To hell with anybody else.
Yes no problem. But not all day

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I find AC/DC musical, can I play it day and night so that the entire village can hear it? To hell with anybody else.
The communities here do organize festivals, music days and parties where live music goes on for hours and everybody hears it.. So, a fair comparison. Except that it pleases again a community of people and not just one AC/DC fan in his car/apartment. When local people decide that they've had enough of the bells, they'll get rid off them. I hope it stays, there is something ancient about it...just like I like old tram's bells, too. And train crossing's bells. And cow bells.

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The communities here do organize festivals, music days and parties where live music goes on for hours and everybody hears it.. So, a fair comparison. Except that it pleases again a community of people and not just one AC/DC fan in his car/apartment. When local people decide that they've had enough of the bells, they'll get rid off them I hope it stays, there is something ancient about it...just like I like old tram's bells, too. And train crossing's bells. And cow bells.
Yes. Even the cows have bells!
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Yes. Even the cows have bells!
Am I the only one who refers to the cows here as 'swiss girls' ?
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I find AC/DC musical, can I play it day and night so that the entire village can hear it? To hell with anybody else.
I am listening all-day Rammstein in earphones, but when bells tolls are making my day ...Use to live next to a monastery, the sounds from the monastery make me focused on things... like hypnosis..
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Am I the only one who refers to the cows here as 'swiss girls' ?
Not possible. Swiss girls are all flat chested
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It may take a bit of a time, but you will get used to it. In my town there is a military airbase. I used to get up at night, but now most of the time I can't even notice when they took off with afterburners roaring.
However, I can't sleep more than 4 hours in the city because of the traffic noise...
Cowbells gave me a hard time when I first stayed at Swiss countryside, but I could get used to them also.
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We renovated a house literally next door to a church that sounds out every hour and at 6am rings for at least 2 mins, After 2 weeks i didn’t hear it anymore
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We renovated a house literally next door to a church that sounds out every hour and at 6am rings for at least 2 mins, After 2 weeks i didn’t hear it anymore
One gets conditioned to all noise pollution.
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