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FlyingDove 08.07.2020 12:14

How to live next to a church?
 
I recently moved in the centre of Lausanne. A few days in I discovered an unexpected source of annoyance. Bells. Every morning at 8, even on weekends. How do people even live with them? Don't they ever want to sleep longer? Especially now that it's summer and you want to sleep with windows open.

What's the big deal about the bells in Switzerland? It's otherwise such a quiet country, and all of a sudden this.

Any tips for soundproofing the window? I can't do any major reengineering like removing them and installing a new one since I'm renting the place. Any solution like soundproof curtains or blinds?

roegner 08.07.2020 12:19

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
I don´t register the sound anymore. Buy earplugs?

GParker 08.07.2020 12:34

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Welcome to Switzerland (where I guess 90% of the population live within earshot of a church). We used to live next to one that donged every 15 minutes night and day. You're ears tune them out after a while.

Guest 08.07.2020 12:47

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
There are loads of old threads about this, and just for once the search function seems to bring up many of them.

Basically, the old threads conclude that there's nothing you can do about them, that you should consider ear plugs if they're really a problem, and that you'll get used to them over time.

Our local church is a couple of hundred meters away, but downhill from us, so we get the chimes on the hour and half hour all night, but I rarely notice them, even sleeping with the window open as we are at the moment. They cdrtainly don't disturb me or stop me from sleeping.

Susie-Q 08.07.2020 13:09

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
hehe I can't tell you how many complaints I've seen on various forums, expat pages and the like about the Swiss church bells. :D

I personally love them, but can sympathize with those who don't. You will most likely get used to it. We have other noises on our street to block out, I bought this incredible HEPA air filter that has a fan that drowns out almost all noise. A normal fan would work too.

Best of luck for a good nights sleep!

Medea Fleecestealer 08.07.2020 14:10

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Be glad they only start at 8am. Some ring 24 hours a day and chime the quarter hours as well.

jazh 08.07.2020 14:12

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Just so you know, in the years I've lived in Switzelrand, I've read multiple newspaper articles about legal fights to prevent church bell ringing (either altogether or just at specific times). If I can remember correctly, they've never won.

As others have written, the best would be to find a way to accept it (or move). Otherwise, you'll just stew in your own anger.

Phil_MCR 08.07.2020 14:29

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Wake up before 8am.

k_and_e 08.07.2020 14:33

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Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 3197580)
Wake up before 8am.


We should open a "Trailing spouse problems" thread:D

NotSwissEnough 08.07.2020 15:14

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GParker (Post 3197560)
Welcome to Switzerland (where I guess 90% of the population live within earshot of a church). We used to live next to one that donged every 15 minutes night and day. You're ears tune them out after a while.

I've twice lived next door to a church without bells. Highly recommended.

I left the city and moved to a village where the closest church is Catholic (in Zurich). Since there's a mismatch between the official religion and that church, they have different bell ringing rules. As a result, we don't really hear them unless the wind is moving a certain way.

Have you ever noticed how many hearing aid shops exist in Switzerland? This probably has something to do with it.

Camupa 08.07.2020 15:43

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I couldn’t help laughing at a complaint about 8am church bells! In my village, the bell rings to mark every 15 minutes - day & night. At 6am, there’s the usual 4 rings followed by 6 to mark the hour, and a minute later starts the continual ringing for about five minutes. This was traditionally the alarm call for any lazy Swiss who weren’t already up before 6am😊.

You won’t even notice it after a while. I live close to Zürich airport, and at first the noise from early morning and late evening flights annoyed me. As I really like where I live and couldn’t do anything about the flights, I decided that it’s something I have to accept. Pretty soon after that I realized that was having to deliberately listen out for the noise.

NotAllThere 08.07.2020 15:46

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Try living under a flight path. Before covid, cargo planes o knee after another from 6am to seven, sometimes earlier. Similar at night.

But... You get used to it.

moggy 08.07.2020 16:07

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
We once lived in the centre of three different church bells, they had different times. When extremely hot, think had to keep bedroom windows closed, shutters and curtains, but left windows other side of flat open and doors open for ventilation. Usually ok, with the odd giggle.


There was a flat in another town. It was amazing inside, everything looked so sparkling and new. It was almost under a Church's bells. One side of the flat used to shake. The living room went unused. Check out was very easy as flat used very limited apart from sleeping, cooking, no entertaining, there was much beautiful nearby outside space to use.


Every year driving past always laughed as it was for rent again, no-one ever extended their lease

bowlie 08.07.2020 17:09

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We once lived in the centre of three different church bells, they had different times.
That’s intentional, it’s to confuse the devil. At least that’s how the genevois explain it.

LuganoPirate 08.07.2020 17:31

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Cow bells, Church bells, the Swiss love their bells, as do I, I must admit. I'm guessing these are the bells of the Eglise Saint Francois, and they never bothered me when I lived in Lausanne!

My golden rule when buying or renting a place, is to hang around the area for a full day and well into the evening. That will give you an idea of what noises to expect and what goes on. Go to a local nearby bar and get chatting to the employees. Then you can decide if something will bother you or not. Better to waste a day than be miserable for a year or more.

curley 08.07.2020 17:49

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Pray to get used to the bells quickly? After all, you're at source.

It's a regular thing (couldn't be more regular in fact) so easy to get used to.
Depending on how punctual a person you are, they can even be helpful at times.

Cherub 08.07.2020 18:27

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We had bells from the church on the corner of our previous street every 15 minutes, plus the bells for mass in the evening. I thought it was lovely as in Scotland I only heard them on Sundays. I now live walking distance of another church and hear the bells every evening and on Sundays, I find it very pleasant.

8am isn't really early here, during the school terms I have kids going past my bedroom window at 7.30 am and I hear the squeals from the Kindergarten across the street :) I missed them when everything was in lockdown tbh.


Oh and when they have the open air kino up at Munsterplatz in Basel, the Munster bells always chime at a crucial point in the film being screened!

MusicChick 08.07.2020 19:55

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
It is quite nice to have to listen to only bells and boats...and not constant cops sirens and ambulances.

omtatsat 08.07.2020 20:00

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Simply tell them to reduce the volume

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2953549508095702

BasP72 08.07.2020 20:31

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Its on my list of things to avoid while looking to buy a house...churches, dog rescue centers, railways, asbestos roofs, old school electric heating...

When looking through the pictues for a flat, a pictoresk church tower visible through a window is not cute, its a red flag !

curley 08.07.2020 20:52

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
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Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3197679)
Its on my list of things to avoid while looking to buy a house...churches, dog rescue centers, railways, asbestos roofs, old school electric heating...

When looking through the pictues for a flat, a pictoresk church tower visible through a window is not cute, its a red flag !

I'm as observant as you are - my red flag is children's playground. :D
Beware of public swimming pools as well.

I love bells though, any. We don't have any around here but depending on the weather we sometimes here the ones from an other town - only weddings and funerals though.

MusicChick 08.07.2020 21:08

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3197679)
Its on my list of things to avoid while looking to buy a house...churches, dog rescue centers, railways, asbestos roofs, old school electric heating...

When looking through the pictues for a flat, a pictoresk church tower visible through a window is not cute, its a red flag !

I think the only red flags for me would be bars/disco (the streets in the morning aren't sightly, not mentioning noise) and those garbage disposal tanks that are burried under ground. Don't like the whiff of those.

But you are right - rails (dust) and asbestos. Schools maybe since I am glad to leave the beehive behind at night.

NotAllThere 08.07.2020 22:24

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3197679)
Its on my list of things to avoid while looking to buy a house...churches, dog rescue centers, railways, asbestos roofs, old school electric heating...

Even so, our house didn't lie under a flight path until we'd been living it for five years. And they fly directly over our house. If the planes land (it's only landing planes that cause us a problem) between 10pm and 6am, Euroairport is fined. I've never seen a penny of that. Oh well. :rolleyes:

jacek 08.07.2020 22:37

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Get used to the bells as time passes by. It will eventually become a routinely music to one’s ear :D

Pancakes 08.07.2020 22:43

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Church bells are nice... from a distance. :)

For the OP... Maybe custom-made earplugs would help. They're probably not something that should be worn every night, but they work amazingly well for cancelling out noise and could be worn on weekends when you want to sleep in. Most stores that sell hearing aids can make them for you. They take a little mold of the inside of your ear (no pain or discomfort at all) and then from that they make the little silicon earplugs. They're very comfortable to wear and definitely block noise much, much better than store-bought earplugs. Mine cost about 100 CHF in total. Best 100 bucks I ever spent.

NotSwissEnough 08.07.2020 22:57

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
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Originally Posted by jacek (Post 3197713)
Get used to the bells as time passes by. It will eventually become a routinely music to one’s ear :D

The problem is that to a musician, they're never whole notes. They're a bunch of out of tune bells resonating the wrong way.

jacek 09.07.2020 00:24

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NotSwissEnough (Post 3197718)
The problem is that to a musician, they're never whole notes. They're a bunch of out of tune bells resonating the wrong way.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :D

greenmount 09.07.2020 07:56

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacek (Post 3197713)
Get used to the bells as time passes by. It will eventually become a routinely music to one’s ear :D

Or one learns to tune out? Like we do when someone annoying talks? (that would be the parents for many kids lol)


I would certainly take into consideration proximity to a church here, if church bells would bother me. But wait, then people couldn't complain on public fora, FB groups etc ....:D

Plau Deri 09.07.2020 08:47

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3197679)
Its on my list of things to avoid

Don't forget to ask about the vicinity of shooting ranges. Their sound can carry pretty far, and chances are they are closed, when you go to see a place.

EPMike 09.07.2020 09:06

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
There is only one working solution: burn down the church. However, it might only be a temporary solution as it will be rebuilt.

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Originally Posted by FlyingDove (Post 3197557)
I recently moved in the centre of Lausanne. A few days in I discovered an unexpected source of annoyance. Bells. Every morning at 8, even on weekends. How do people even live with them? Don't they ever want to sleep longer? Especially now that it's summer and you want to sleep with windows open.

What's the big deal about the bells in Switzerland? It's otherwise such a quiet country, and all of a sudden this.

Any tips for soundproofing the window? I can't do any major reengineering like removing them and installing a new one since I'm renting the place. Any solution like soundproof curtains or blinds?


bowlie 09.07.2020 09:13

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EPMike (Post 3197756)
There is only one working solution: burn down the church. However, it might only be a temporary solution as it will be rebuilt.

You could ‘borrow’ the bells.

Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee

dandi 09.07.2020 09:36

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
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Originally Posted by FlyingDove (Post 3197557)
I....Every morning at 8, even on weekends. How do people even live with them? Don't they ever want to sleep longer? ....

People here wake up ridiculously early. It's brutal

jacek 09.07.2020 09:39

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dandi (Post 3197761)
People here wake up ridiculously early. It's brutal

Church bells, cow bells, door bells. People always find something to complain about in Switzerland :confused:

Es ist brutal ... :D

MusicChick 09.07.2020 09:39

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NotSwissEnough (Post 3197718)
The problem is that to a musician, they're never whole notes. They're a bunch of out of tune bells resonating the wrong way.

Honestly, for somebody with a perfect pitch, out-of-tune bells are the least of the nuissances. Just don't switch the radio on, subway announcements, mall muzzak, cellphone alarm, tiktok shinenigans, edu videos, TV, etc..

Bells are ok, they aren't meant to be finely tuned to musical ears. They are tuned to something else. :)

I like them. Glad they they aren't pulled down like statues elsewhere.

Tom1234 09.07.2020 09:47

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3197764)

I like them. Glad they they aren't pulled down like statues elsewhere.

Like the statues of the Hapsburg empire that were pulled down in then Czechoslovakia after WWI?
Like the statues of Masaryk there that were removed after WWII?

People have been taking down statues and replacing them for years.

Should we have statues of Hitler or monuments to his Third Reich in Germany?

Should statues of Stalin have been removed? Should new statues of Stalin be erected - like the bust in Novosibirsk?

MusicChick 09.07.2020 09:51

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Only the ugly ones!

Churches and bells, on the other hand, were mostly built to not really please our aesthetic ears but offer practical functionality.

greenmount 09.07.2020 10:11

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jacek (Post 3197762)
Church bells, cow bells, door bells. People always find something to complain about in Switzerland :confused:

Es ist brutal ... :D

I recommend the semantron/xylon. My grandparents lived close to a monastery and this is a sound I learned to love and live with during summer holidays. It really brings peace. I also miss the nuns' sweets....

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacek (Post 3197727)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :D

Always.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dandi (Post 3197761)
People here wake up ridiculously early. It's brutal

Those who live in the countryside start the day at 5 a.m. and OP complained about 8 a.m. being early? lol

NotSwissEnough 10.07.2020 14:36

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3197764)
Honestly, for somebody with a perfect pitch, out-of-tune bells are the least of the nuissances. Just don't switch the radio on, subway announcements, mall muzzak, cellphone alarm, tiktok shinenigans, edu videos, TV, etc..

Bells are ok, they aren't meant to be finely tuned to musical ears. They are tuned to something else. :)

I like them. Glad they they aren't pulled down like statues elsewhere.

I guess you haven't heard change bells recently?

I wouldn't mind them coming down. Religion should be a private affair, not for public consumption IMO.

Spaceghost 10.07.2020 14:53

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Medea Fleecestealer (Post 3197576)
Be glad they only start at 8am. Some ring 24 hours a day and chime the quarter hours as well.


I can vouch for this - I rented a Swiss Star on Schwamendingenstrasse in Oerlikon and was not happy when I woke at 3am to hear the bell chime every 15 minutes throughout the night. :msnmad:

Weirdly though after a week I didn't notice it but that said there was no way I was renting longer-term near a church :D

omtatsat 10.07.2020 17:41

Re: How to live next to a church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingDove (Post 3197557)
I recently moved in the centre of Lausanne. A few days in I discovered an unexpected source of annoyance. Bells. Every morning at 8, even on weekends. How do people even live with them? Don't they ever want to sleep longer? Especially now that it's summer and you want to sleep with windows open.

What's the big deal about the bells in Switzerland? It's otherwise such a quiet country, and all of a sudden this.

Any tips for soundproofing the window? I can't do any major reengineering like removing them and installing a new one since I'm renting the place. Any solution like soundproof curtains or blinds?

The bells are to remind you to repent your sins


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