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Re: Smoking cigars in the bathing area ( on the lake )

People using smartphones or smartwatches in bathing areas ruins the experience for me much more than someone smoking a cigar. I don't have to worry about a cigar filming or recording me at all times. And the high-frequency radio waves can arguably cause health problems. Those are already forbidden in public bathing areas but the ban is not enforced. Then there's the matter of synthetic bathing suits which could potentially release toxins into our water systems. And, of course, the consumption of alcoholic beverages, meat and, well, pretty much everything else is also disturbing to various groups. Exposing the body is also offensive to some. Pool chemicals are also bad for the environment. So how about we all get together and bully the world into sharing a smoke-free, radioactivity-free, synthetic-free, alcohol-free, meat-free, long-sleeved, organic bathing experience! If enough of us get behind it, we could even get non-compliant bathers fired or publicly shamed. Who's with me?
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Old 09.07.2020, 16:50
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So how about we all get together and bully the world into sharing a smoke-free, radioactivity-free, synthetic-free, alcohol-free, meat-free, long-sleeved, organic bathing experience! If enough of us get behind it, we could even get non-compliant bathers fired or publicly shamed. Who's with me?
Please don't forget the toxic chemicals in sunscreen or the harmful effects of the sun. Bathers must be protected from both of these at all times.
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Old 09.07.2020, 16:52
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..... .synthetic bathing suits which could potentially release toxins into our water systems....... exposing the body is also offensive to some........
That's a true dilemma. But I'm sure the I-don't-like-other-people-living brigade will find a solution that pleases - them.

Well, the indoors is all for the non-smokers now.
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Old 09.07.2020, 16:59
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People using smartphones or smartwatches in bathing areas ruins the experience for me much more than someone smoking a cigar. I don't have to worry about a cigar filming or recording me at all times. And the high-frequency radio waves can arguably cause health problems. Those are already forbidden in public bathing areas but the ban is not enforced. Then there's the matter of synthetic bathing suits which could potentially release toxins into our water systems. And, of course, the consumption of alcoholic beverages, meat and, well, pretty much everything else is also disturbing to various groups. Exposing the body is also offensive to some. Pool chemicals are also bad for the environment. So how about we all get together and bully the world into sharing a smoke-free, radioactivity-free, synthetic-free, alcohol-free, meat-free, long-sleeved, organic bathing experience! If enough of us get behind it, we could even get non-compliant bathers fired or publicly shamed. Who's with me?
Spot the Swiss person on the forum !

Bit of a a give away when you think that "high-frequency radio waves can arguably cause health problems" when there's no evidence but smoking is ok when there's tonnes of evidence that it kills at least a million people around the globe every year.

I bet you buy homeopathic 'medicine' too.

Got any more nonsensical arguments pro-smoking?
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Old 09.07.2020, 17:03
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Please don't forget the toxic chemicals in sunscreen or the harmful effects of the sun. Bathers must be protected from both of these at all times.
Hardly - you need the sun to live -sun on your skin produces vitamin D which your body needs to survive.

Not quite the same as tobacco really.

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Got any more nonsensical arguments pro-smoking?
I think the biggest argument is that some people enjoy doing it, just like some people enjoy bathing, sunbathing, drinking alcohol or being vegan. Second-hand smoke certainly isn't a major problem in an open-air area (I can't imagine they were smoking a cigar in an indoor pool).

I don't smoke, rarely consume alcohol, skinny dip even less frequently and do my best to live sustainably. Does that give me the right to enforce my beliefs and preferences on others? I don't believe it does. If someone else enjoys it and it has no real impact on me, why should I let it bother me?

Of course there are also (many) people who enjoy feeling bothered...so I do my best to let them enjoy that experience without it bothering me.
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Outdoor public area where it's not banned. Why should he listen to you? Don't like it, take it up with the people who run the bathing area to get smoking banned. Then you might have something to complain about.
I know its not banned. But he would never light up a cigar at a tram stop for fear of the repercussions. One has the right to object when the smoking disturbs one. And any reasonable person would stop the smoking or go somewhere else.But as I said he was an egotistical arse hole. Cigar smokers generally are!
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... and people are surprised how easily viruses can spread, even outdoors.
Sense of smell is way more sensitive than susceptibility to viruses.

I wouldn't fire a water pistol at him. But I might have a water fight nearby and accidentally spray him... Nah - I'd just move away.
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So how about we all get together and bully the world into sharing a smoke-free, radioactivity-free, synthetic-free, alcohol-free, meat-free, long-sleeved, organic bathing experience!
Isn't that what lakes are about? So organic! A bit too much at time, when the water is warm and blossomy.
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I think the biggest argument is that some people enjoy doing it, just like some people enjoy bathing, sunbathing, drinking alcohol or being vegan. Second-hand smoke certainly isn't a major problem in an open-air area (I can't imagine they were smoking a cigar in an indoor pool).

I don't smoke, rarely consume alcohol, skinny dip even less frequently and do my best to live sustainably. Does that give me the right to enforce my beliefs and preferences on others? I don't believe it does. If someone else enjoys it and it has no real impact on me, why should I let it bother me?

Of course there are also (many) people who enjoy feeling bothered...so I do my best to let them enjoy that experience without it bothering me.
When the person smoking the monster cigar is sitting 2 metre away then it really does become a problem!
What the hell has skinning dipping got to do with anything here! Are you ok in the head? ( and no. You cant catch Corona or the clapp by skinny dipping )
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I think the biggest argument is that some people enjoy doing it, just like some people enjoy bathing, sunbathing, drinking alcohol or being vegan. Second-hand smoke certainly isn't a major problem in an open-air area (I can't imagine they were smoking a cigar in an indoor pool).
You're used to it. It's part of life here. Of course it isn't a problem for you.

You take the clean Swiss air for granted but you also expect it to be full of tobacco smoke. so you don't see what the fuss is about.

If, for example, you went to a U.S. city for a week, you could possibly notice how polluted the air is compared with the air in Switzerland (which people try their hardest to make unpleasant with smoke).

But go to a country where there isn't really any smoking and it's really noticeable how pleasant the air is. Come back here and it does tend to hit you.
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So you can f...ck up the health of children and others for this free country. Your days are over . Get used to it! Your idea of free is sick.
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You're used to it. It's part of life here. Of course it isn't a problem for you.

You take the clean Swiss air for granted but you also expect it to be full of tobacco smoke. so you don't see what the fuss is about.

If, for example, you went to a U.S. city for a week, you could possibly notice how polluted the air is compared with the air in Switzerland (which people try their hardest to make unpleasant with smoke).

But go to a country where there isn't really any smoking and it's really noticeable how pleasant the air is. Come back here and it does tend to hit you.
Being anal about other people smoking outdoors is mostly an Anglo thing. Sounds like you better get used to it or go home.
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No, but can't people here put the laws aside for once and have a bit of consideration for other people?

Someone on another thread said the U.S. had a "me" culture.
I think this summarizes it very well. It's not about "allowed" or not, it's just about consideration for others and doing the right thing. I'm sure farting loud is not illegal, but I'm sure nobody would like to have someone in the badi sitting 2m away, who fires off a series of loud ones for 15min. straight. Or listening to music rather loud. Or, or, or. You get the idea.

For my wedding anniversary a few years back, my wife and I went to have dinner at the Torkel restaurant, in Vaduz. It's a very nice place, and not one bit cheap. While we were enjoying desert, the "gentleman" behind me lit a cigar and his wife lit a cigarrette. Needless to say, in the small, closed restaurant, the smell immediately filled the air. We didn't get to enjoy the second half of desert, we asked for the check and ran off (the chef rushed to ask us if everything was OK, and we explained that we were chased away by the smoke, to which he just shrugged).

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Being anal about other people smoking outdoors is mostly an Anglo thing. Sounds like you better get used to it or go home.
No, mate. The hallmark of a democracy is people being able to openly discuss their feelings and opinions in public, and asking their voted representatives to enact laws that cater to the population's needs. Telling people to get used to the status quo or move to another country is rude in the best scenario, and just authoritarian and supressive of free speech in the worst case.
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No, mate. The hallmark of a democracy is people being able to openly discuss their feelings and opinions in public, and asking their voted representatives to enact laws that cater to the population's needs. Telling people to get used to the status quo or move to another country is rude in the best scenario, and just authoritarian and supressive of free speech in the worst case.
But, regretfully our representatives are in the pockets of big tobacco. Their ‘contributions’ aka bribes ensures the public doesn’t get the laws that the majority wants.
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Re: Smoking cigars in the bathing area ( on the lake )

Get yourself some lighter fuel and just accidentally spill it down his pants.

Apologise profusely, make sure you warn him the lighter fuel is unfortunately highly inflammable.

All the time making sure you stand at least covid-19 meters away from him.
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I No, mate. The hallmark of a democracy is people being able to openly discuss their feelings and opinions in public, and asking their voted representatives to enact laws that cater to the population's needs. Telling people to get used to the status quo or move to another country is rude in the best scenario, and just authoritarian and supressive of free speech in the worst case.
The Swiss voted against stricter smoking rules in 2012:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/ballot-...-down/33575638
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The Swiss voted against stricter smoking rules in 2012:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/ballot-...-down/33575638
That's a little whataboutism, as THAT particular ruling was about banning smoker's lounges, and had nothing to do with smoking in public, open spaces. But in any case, that was nearly 10 years ago. Societies evolve, and I remain hopeful and expect a slow albeit gradual mindset change towards healthier habits.
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