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Honey is liquid when it's first taken from the hives, crystallisation only occurs over time (at a faster or slower rate depending on water and pollen content).
Yes. Of course that it hardens. And liquidizing it by again actually goes against much of the good stuff that honey offers. Family had bees for 70 years, I miss their honey. Had 5l jars for years, never goes bad.
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Yes. Of course that it hardens. And liquidizing it again actually goes against much of the good stuff that honey offers. Family had bees for 70 years, I miss their honey. Had 5l jars for years, never goes bad.
Sure, that's what I said; and your point is?

Certainly not showing that liquid honey (given that that's it's natural state) is in any way less healthy than the crystallised form.
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My big point is RAW is better, and it is rarely liquid for long, it cristalizes fast, or at least ours did. Reheating compromizes the immuno boosting stuff.

RAW and hard honey is the best.
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And also jars of honey with a 2 year life... it'll last a thousand years if sealed. The BBF date is purely because there may be some crystalisation of the sugar in it after that time and some consumers may be put off by it.



It only lasts that long if it is sufficiently dry.


If the water-content is too high, it will ferment pretty soon...
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I only like liquid raw honey off the honeycomb. A little piece. Best gum ever.

Raw mik never gets boiled in our home, either. We drink it straight away as opposed to heating it to preserve it.
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Re: expired product still sold

Eating foods slightly beyond expiry date is in order. I always do that and never complain in the process, as I chase it down with usually fermented (by nature of the product) dry red wine. One can also grow a pair to do it fearlessly one’s in life
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I do prefer crystallised to liquid, especially on fresh white bread (with unsalted butter).
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Nearly all honey you can buy in shops is pasteurised.
My daughter is making mead, and it started fermenting on it's own (after dilution), it can't have been pasteurized. She may have got it from a local beekeeper, I'll have to ask.

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Eating foods slightly beyond expiry date is in order. I always do that and never complain in the process, as I chase it down with usually fermented (by nature of the product) dry red wine. One can also grow a pair to do it fearlessly in the process
Are you sure that the chaser isn't vodka?

Anyways, the only thing I am slightly paranoid about as per rancid/unhealthy expired stuff is seafood. But some stuff is fresh and still tastes expired...so. I will never like oysters, I don't think. And goat cheese.

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Are you sure that the chaser isn't vodka?

Anyways, the only thing I am slightly paranoid about as per rancid/unhealthy expired stuff is seafood. But some of is fresh and still tastes expired...so. I will never like oysters, I don't think. And goat cheese.
With expired seafood, white wine Chenin Blanc will go down well

Vodka as an aperitif is always a good disinfectant for bacteria.
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With expired seafood, white wine Chenin Blanc will go down well
Isn't it a waste? Food poisoning can kill!

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Not sure what gives you that idea, but since they're both 95% sugar it could be argued that neither is particularly healthy.

In fact, there can be no difference between the two forms, as the crystal structure will anyway dissolve as soon as if hits the stomach.

You can easily turn it back into a liquid anyway with gentle heating, although sometimes the water content may be too low if it's been left exposed.

It does taste different, yes, and I do prefer crystallised to liquid, especially on fresh white bread (with unsalted butter). Having said that, fresh honey straight from the hive somehow always tastes best - maybe it's just the atmosphere that makes it so, as in theory is doesn't change at all through the bottling process.

Actually, now I write this, I think I might have found the source of your (mis-)information. Nearly all honey you can buy in shops is pasteurised, which does, IMO, slightly change its flavour, and potentially some of the somewhat intangible health benefits that some people may claim. Pasteurisation also helps to avoid or delay crystallisation, so keeping it liquid for much longer.

So it's perhaps not that liquid honey is less healthy, just that if you can get crystallised honey there's a slightly higher chance that it may be raw, i.e. unpasteurised.

In any case, for the very best honey, however you define 'best', you should buy it direct from the producer.
Wow, that was the first time I heard honey is pasteurized! (It's true, I went and checked with my old time friend google ). Guess because those bees don't wash their legs regularly?! I will insist on pasteurized sugar next. Ah, don't tell me it already is.

However, I went and checked my honey, it said: Honey is a untreated (naturbelassen) product and should not be fed to children under 12 months. Pheeew, mine is as I want it then.
Honey can (CAN) contain Clostridium sporogenes, this is the reason it should not be fed to babies (the unpasteurized one).

Well, that was interesting, I learnt my thing of the day. Can I go back to bed now?
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Re: expired product still sold

I used both types of honey on my journey from sweetened to sugar free tea or coffee some months ago. I found that liquid honey was bit sloppy but more intuitive to drink as compared to the solid crystallized honey. Eventually, eliminated both from my diet and started drinking plain black coffees and teas. Needless to say, combined with healthy diet, I managed to lose 16kg in six months overall, which I found it incredible in one’s 40’s.
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I used both types of honey on my journey from sweetened to sugar free tea or coffee some months ago. I found that liquid honey was bit sloppy but more intuitive to drink as compared to the solid crystallized honey. Eventually, eliminated both from my diet and started drinking plain black coffees and teas. Needless to say, combined with healthy diet, I managed to lose 16kg in six months overall, which I found it incredible in one’s 40’s.
It is. Congrats!

I came off sugar in tea very elegantly: One day we visited friends and they asked whether I take sugar. Yes, thank you. No you don't, said my boyfriend.
He spent the previous weeks putting less and less sugar in my tea and yes indeed, I drank my tea without (ever since) and hadn't even noticed.
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Honey can (CAN) contain Clostridium sporogenes, this is the reason it should not be fed to babies (the unpasteurized one).
AKA botulism.

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Tea/coffe without sugar is easy. Cakes, however..That's when I turned to baking savory muffins, yum.
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Tea/coffe without sugar is easy. Cakes, however..That's when I turned to baking savory muffins, yum.
What do you mean by savory muffins?
Can they be tasty without sugar just because they're small or do you add "Bohnenkraut" instead of sugar?
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Hi All,
Is there a place where one could report that a product is still being sold by a shop even tough is already 15 days expired.
I went to a shop which sells some oriental food. Usually i buy from there a Middle Eastern confection made of sesame flour and honey. So, basically i think is not dangerous for eating(my opinion). I noticed only after opening and checking the expiration date that the thing is expired already. To go back and discuss with the shop the situation is not easy because i have to drive 30 km to the destination and then back.

What would you do in such situation?
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I have a feeling that's halva that you bought..15 days past expiry date is nothing, this stuff has too much sugar to go off.
Mention it the next time you're there, take a closer look next time while you're there, say something while you're there. Probably it is a genuine mistake, don't be so quick to complain etc etc. These are small shops, it's pretty tough right now. I'd be more understanding, this is what I'd do. And of course eat that thing, it's been a while....
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What would you do in such situation?
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Feed it to the cat. If she eats it then it must be OK.
However with the dog...
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Feed it to the cat. If she eats it then it must be OK.
However with the dog...
Actually that is very true. My cat and I were a great team in that respect.
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What do you mean by savory muffins?
Can they be tasty without sugar just because they're small or do you add "Bohnenkraut" instead of sugar?
There are loads of options for savoury muffins...they often have cheese in them.
Also veggies, bacon, salmon etc. The possibilities are endless.
They’re not sweet at all.
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