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sailorimc 13.07.2020 13:13

expired product still sold
 
Hi All,
Is there a place where one could report that a product is still being sold by a shop even tough is already 15 days expired.
I went to a shop which sells some oriental food. Usually i buy from there a Middle Eastern confection made of sesame flour and honey. So, basically i think is not dangerous for eating(my opinion). I noticed only after opening and checking the expiration date that the thing is expired already. To go back and discuss with the shop the situation is not easy because i have to drive 30 km to the destination and then back.

What would you do in such situation?
Thank you,

bowlie 13.07.2020 13:21

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It is not a use by date, it is a best before date. Therefore it is not dangerous.

I would say caveat emptor. The shopkeeper might replace the item, but wouldn’t be required to.

Tom1234 13.07.2020 13:22

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Originally Posted by sailorimc (Post 3198688)
Hi All,
Is there a place where one could report that a product is still being sold by a shop even tough is already 15 days expired.
I went to a shop which sells some oriental food. Usually i buy from there a Middle Eastern confection made of sesame flour and honey. So, basically i think is not dangerous for eating(my opinion). I noticed only after opening and checking the expiration date that the thing is expired already. To go back and discuss with the shop the situation is not easy because i have to drive 30 km to the destination and then back.

What would you do in such situation?
Thank you,

Nothing. It will be fine to eat and you'll be reducing waste by not taking it back or throwing it away.

I'd check the dates next time though and perhaps say something then.

catandmouse 13.07.2020 13:26

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Well you seem to be making life difficult for yourself here.
Is reporting it "somewhere" going to be any easier than contacting the shop and discussing it with them? There's a reasonable chance it's an honest mistake. Why not give the shop a call if you don't want to go back there?
It's not clear from your post whether the "expiration" date is a "sell by" date or a "best before" date and for middle east sweets, I really wouldn't worry too much. With all the sugar in them, there's not an awful lot to go off.

aSwissInTheUS 13.07.2020 13:52

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First, as other have said it is not an expiration date. This would only apply to drugs and perishable goods.

Second, you would have first to check if those goods need a "best before" (Mindestens haltbar bis) date.
(They need one. Honey only since 2007)

Third, you would have to check if a shop is allowed to sell goods which are past there "best before".
(I think they are, but the seller is still fully liable that the goods are consumable)

Fourth, the place to report would be the cantons chemist. https://www.kantonschemiker.ch/

Fifth, how long a good is "best before" is not set by law or regulation but by the producer alone. They can set any arbitrary date. For honey it is usually 2 years.

Sixth, as others have said if it passes the look, smell, and taste test it is properly good for use.

Kittster 13.07.2020 14:15

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At least call the shop and let them know. I imagine that with all that has been going on, their stock turnover may have slowed down without them having adapted their procedures for checking everything is still before its sell by date.

Principia Discordia 13.07.2020 14:18

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Originally Posted by sailorimc (Post 3198688)
What would you do in such situation?
Thank you,

I would smell it, if it smelled ok I would eat it, and if the opportunity arose I would mention it the next time I was at the shop even I even remembered which is unlikely as it's such a massively insignificant issue.

curley 13.07.2020 14:20

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3198713)
First, as other have said it is not an expiration date. This would only apply to drugs and perishable goods.

Second, you would have first to check if those goods need a "best before" (Mindestens haltbar bis) date.
(They need one. Honey only since 2007)

Third, you would have to check if a shop is allowed to sell goods which are past there "best before".
(I think they are, but the seller is still fully liable that the goods are consumable)

Fourth, the place to report would be the cantons chemist. https://www.kantonschemiker.ch/

Fifth, how long a good is "best before" is not set by law or regulation but by the producer alone. They can set any arbitrary date. For honey it is usually 2 years.

Sixth, as others have said if it passes the look, smell, and taste test it is properly good for use.

Seventh, if you rely very much on the best before date, check it when you shop. (I actually just do that automatically these days).

It can happen even at big shops like Migros to find something out of date - the few times I had that, I just handed it on to a sales-person to take it out.

MusicChick 13.07.2020 14:40

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What candy was it, halva? I go crazy for that...15 days over expiration should be ok, though, unless it doesn't smell well or got fermented or something.

grumpygrapefruit 13.07.2020 14:47

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As others have said, it's not an expiration date, the product does not expire at midnight that day. It's a best before date, in the opinion of the producer it will be in the best condition before that date.

I'm sure it's just an honest mistake, take the packaging back to he shop and let them know in a friendly manner. I work in food retail and if that happened to me, I would gladly give another product back as a thanks. Mistakes like that do happen.

Spinal 13.07.2020 16:31

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One question I always had was do Coop not do inventory management through barcodes?

I know that in the UK, all the major retails have different barcodes for different batches of perishable items.

That way, when you get to the till and scan something that is past its sell-by date, they apologize and don't sell it.

NotAllThere 14.07.2020 06:50

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Originally Posted by Spinal (Post 3198764)
One question I always had was do Coop not do inventory management through barcodes?

Our local one does.

fatmanfilms 14.07.2020 09:10

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This reminds me of 250 million year sea salt beyond it's 2 year sell by date :D https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/commen...res_next_year/

grumpygrapefruit 14.07.2020 09:37

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3198867)
This reminds me of 250 million year sea salt beyond it's 2 year sell by date :D https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/commen...res_next_year/

And also jars of honey with a 2 year life... it'll last a thousand years if sealed. The BBF date is purely because there may be some crystalisation of the sugar in it after that time and some consumers may be put off by it.

st2lemans 14.07.2020 10:25

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 3198879)
And also jars of honey with a 2 year life... it'll last a thousand years if sealed. The BBF date is purely because there may be some crystalisation of the sugar in it after that time and some consumers may be put off by it.

I like crystalized honey more than liquid honey.

Tom

curley 14.07.2020 10:37

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3198894)
I like crystalized honey more than liquid honey.

Tom

Me too. The liquid one is a mess. :D

MusicChick 14.07.2020 10:44

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3198894)
I like crystalized honey more than liquid honey.

Tom

Hard honey is usually healthier than the liquidized honey.

Guest 14.07.2020 11:11

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3198902)
Hard honey is usually healthier than the liquidized honey.

Not sure what gives you that idea, but since they're both 95% sugar it could be argued that neither is particularly healthy.

In fact, there can be no difference between the two forms, as the crystal structure will anyway dissolve as soon as if hits the stomach.

You can easily turn it back into a liquid anyway with gentle heating, although sometimes the water content may be too low if it's been left exposed.

It does taste different, yes, and I do prefer crystallised to liquid, especially on fresh white bread (with unsalted butter). Having said that, fresh honey straight from the hive somehow always tastes best - maybe it's just the atmosphere that makes it so, as in theory is doesn't change at all through the bottling process.

Actually, now I write this, I think I might have found the source of your (mis-)information. Nearly all honey you can buy in shops is pasteurised, which does, IMO, slightly change its flavour, and potentially some of the somewhat intangible health benefits that some people may claim. Pasteurisation also helps to avoid or delay crystallisation, so keeping it liquid for much longer.

So it's perhaps not that liquid honey is less healthy, just that if you can get crystallised honey there's a slightly higher chance that it may be raw, i.e. unpasteurised.

In any case, for the very best honey, however you define 'best', you should buy it direct from the producer.

MusicChick 14.07.2020 11:18

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Liquidizing honey (heating) deprives honey of nutrients and immuno-boosters. Ask your local beekeper. They don't like to liquidize but it sells.

Now when my beekeeping family is no longer around, I buy from a local beekeeper.

Guest 14.07.2020 11:31

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Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 3198912)
Liquidizing honey (heating) deprives honey of nutrients and immuno-boosters. Ask your local beekeper. They don't like to liquidize but it sells.

Honey is liquid when it's first taken from the hives, crystallisation only occurs over time (at a faster or slower rate depending on water and pollen content).

As I said, heating to pasteurize may slightly change it, as may reheating to turn it back to liquid when it's been in your cupboard too long, but raw honey is always liquid in the first place.

Whether that affects any pseudo-science health benefits like "nutrients and immuno-boosters" is up for debate however.:msnsarcastic:

(FYI I've actually kept bees, although not for many years.)


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